Windows 10 [2018]

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  1. hoom

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    You guys seen the new 'News and Interests' advertising malware feature?
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    It goddamn opens on mouse-over ffs :mad2:

    Fortunately you can turn it off via taskbar right click menu but its On by default and I know a lot of people won't even think to look at where to turn it off.
     
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    That news and interest is super annoying. Who on earth thought open on hover is a good idea? I could have given it a chance but this implementation makes me just want delete the whole feature. Well, it's turned off now on my machines.
     
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    weird, i didnt get it on 21H1 on

    - Desktop PC (W10 Pro)
    - Convertible (W10 Home)
    - Mini PC (W10 Home)
    - Laptop (W10 Home)
    - Tablet (W10 Pro)
     
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    I have never seen that before either...
     
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    Same.

    But i got it on my 20h2 when I patched it today with the preview patch...
     
  6. hoom

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    Yeah I didn't get it in the main patch it was a separate/preview one.
     
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    There is a big event on June 24th 11am et to see whats next for windows. Might be some new devices......
     
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    This sounds hugely un-awesome for users
    https://wccftech.com/microsoft-to-unveil-the-next-generation-of-windows-10-on-june-24th/
     
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    Microsoft is going to unveil 'the next generation of Windows' on June 24. I guess important new features, like WDDM 3.0 with Linux Direct3D12 drivers, and developer preview of DirectStorage for Windows, would now become part of that 'next generation', whatever that means.

    The timeline of Windows releases has not become any clearer. It seems like current Windows 10 'Cobalt' (co_release and co_refresh) branches would remain Dev Channel only releases, just like late 'Manganese' and 'Iron' branches; the 'Nickel' branch (builds 223xx), which was supposed to include the 'Sun Valley' UI changes in 21H2 release, would be cancelled entirely, and the 21H2 release would now become a minor build 19044 update still based on 'Vibranium' branch (20H1), while the 'next gen' release actually looks like the 'Copper' branch (cu_release) coming in 22H2.

    I do wonder if this reshuffle is due to the major refactoring of the Windows I/O Manager stack started to support DirectStorage, as well as transition to the USER32/GDI32 compatibility layer and unification with UWP windowing API in WinUI 3.0 and Project Reunion 1.0? I'd think it's quite possible that significant changes to the Windows kernel would require a major version bump, because they are breaking current applications and drivers, as happened with Direct3D 11.1 / WDDM 1.2 for Windows 7...
     
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    Oh great, windows becomes a mobile platform full of ads and microtransactions.

    I'd prefer to throw them some cash for an upgrade to keep all this shit away from my PC.
     
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    I think its going to be a 64bit only OS and the only way to use win 32 and previous programs is emulation. I think they are also going to go heavy into sand box mode where everything you run is done in a sandbox so you don't get viruses or malware. Its also going to take all the windows 10x ui changes and put them in, most likely as the new tablet interface since that was really a mobile device.

    Apple just proved that in the course of 4 years you could kill 32bit program support then kill x64 support and everyone will buy your new processor and claim its the second coming. MS has a ton of baggage in windows that is keeping it from competing with more modern OS. So at the end of the day those who want windows 10 can stay on it but it will become more business focused and those who want a more modern take with better performance and battery life and ease of use will go for this new thing.

    Of course I could be wrong
     
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    That sounds quite cool. I'd just like them to implement Quick Resume but I guess that's wishful thinking!
     
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    I'm excited for the next generation/version of Windows. Bring it on.
     
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    DirectStorage might be a part of the next generation windows.
     
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    I hope it's coming to W10 too...
     
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    Probably will. It wont matter if MS offers a free upgrade. Its the perfect time to introduce new standards along with the new generation windows.
     
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    Well, it's pretty obvious it will haha
     
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    It will be on both.

    I think Microsoft is aware this version of windows is going to be a slower shift than windows 10 was even if its offered free.

    I love windows and its long term support through the generations of windows but I think it be smart for them to split like back in the NT and Windows XP days. It will really help them compete in mobile devices better
     
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    I'd agree that 32-bit editions of the OS can be retired, but support for Win32 applications, whether 32-bit or 64-bit, is not going to be removed any time soon.

    Instead Microsoft will make it easier for Win32 developers to use the UWP family APIs in Windows 10/11 - this was announced last year as 'Project Reunion', which aims to merge Win32 and UWP into a single unified platform, to be released by end of 2021.

    The latest addition to the roadmap is a new 'UWP Windowing' API which will integrate a low-level USER32/GDI32 emulation layer with the updated UWP 'AppWindow' class, making it essentially UWP v2. The Register has a nice roundup of this proposal:
    https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/01/microsoft_windows_windowing_api_project_reunion/

    Also 64-bit Windows (x64 aka 'x86-64') supports 32-bit x86 applications natively with the WOW64 layer, so there is no need for an emulator (unless you are running on ARM64 version of the OS).


    That 'baggage' is the entire KERNEL32 and large parts of USER32 APIs (including DWM), and relevant kernel-mode services. The 'modern OS' (aka Windows Runtime / WinRT / UWP) is implemented on top of these 'legacy' parts of the Windows API (unlike OS/2 subsystem and POSIX subsystem of the past, and the current Windows Subsystem for Linux, which use the 'native API' ).

    That was supposed to be Windows 10X, but thankfully it was shelved. Forcing access restrictions on existing desktop apps would result in degraded performance and multiple UAC elevation prompts.

    Thank you very much, I'm fine with Windows 10 running smoothly on any entry-level desktop PC from year 2011 (with only a little additional effort of upgrading to a NVMe SSD disk).
     
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    Dev build 21996 was leaked - so far the new Start Menu UI looks exactly like the earlier Windows 10X 'Sun Valley' screenshots, everything else looks like the current 'Cobalt' Dev build. But there's probably a full year of development ahead until the final release...

    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/251941/windows-11-first-impressions

    In essense, Live tiles have been removed from the Start Menu. 'App tiles ('Pin to Start' command) have been converted to Pinned icons in the Start menu. 'News and Interests' has a new place in the 'Widgets' sidebar, launched with a separate Taskbar button.

    The Maximize button has new window snapping controls:

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/microsoft-windows-11-leak-screenshots-start-menu
    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/251968/windows-11-a-few-more-observations

    Setup experience for clean install is updated as well:

    https://www.neowin.net/news/hands-o...ild-new-setup-experience-ui-changes-and-more/
    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/251977/windows-11-clean-install


    NB the Taskbar / Start can be aligned to the left corner, if you prefer so:

    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/251954/windows-11-a-few-more-screenshots

    Live tiles can be brought back as well:

    https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-11-switch-back-windows-10-start-menu/

    They have a different spacing and acrylic background style, as in early 10X concepts:
    https://vimeo.com/403693937
    https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-sun-valley-features-everything-we-know
     
    #320 DmitryKo, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:14 PM
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