Who will win in terms of marketing this generation?
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Note that by the end of they year, I expect both ATI and Nvidia to be offering chipsets for both Intel and AMD.
I think Intel dominating the OEM market will make having the OEM advantage to nVIDIA much smaller. I don't expect ATI to dominate the OEM market like nVIDIA once did. I expect Intel to do that. ATI and nVIDIA need to make integrated chipsets to fight for OEMs. I think integrated GPUs are what OEMs look forward to the most.PatrickL said:
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Native pci-e? It would allow Dell to offer the same solution across their entire lineup, keeping their support costs generally down. I wouldn't be surprised if Dell expects by the end of the year to be selling more pci-e boxes than agp.
OEM consideration may well come down to a very small difference (pennies) in price.
It can't be just PCIE, or they may as well have grabbed the PCX5300. The X300 is a real DX9 card, though I don't know how much that concerns Dell. Lower prices perhaps, wafers of 0.11u budget chips must be dirt cheap to churn out. Are they top-to-bottom ATI now? That might've provided some financial incentive.Alstrong said:
Deathlike2
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You're kidding right?
Besides some of the given comments, consider the fact that ATI does have a top-to-bottom solution for every AGP part (X800, X600, X300) ( I believe there are PCI-X solutions as well). NVidia lacks this (unless someone shows otherwise. NVidia does have high-midstream hardware. Nothing "replaces" their low end hardware (5200 has variations now, but no low-end derivative of the 6800)
Also consider the fact that ATI does have major OEM support for their PCI-X solutions. This and coupling the fact that NVidia has no 6800 low-end derivative, it should give ATI (and Dell) a marketing advantage.
Besides, I don't think we'll see the last of the 5200 series. It's another MX/Vanta to forget.
Not sure what you're getting at. Both companies have a high end part on the new architecture (6800 and X800) in both AGP and PCIE (not PCI-X) form. Both companies have previous generation AGP parts (FX5200/5500/5600/5700/59x0, 9200/9550/9600/9800), both companies have previous generation PCIE parts (PCX5300/5750/5900, X300/X600).Deathlike2 said:
ATI have no X800 low-end derivative either, the X300 and X600 are R3x0 parts.Deathlike2 said:
ati should have native pci-e across the board which will be cheaper to make then the current nvidia pci-e cards which have a seprate bridge chip and the nv45 which has it on the same package .
I would laso expect the oems to love the x800xt as it takes up one slot and less power than the 6800ultra .
Oems love to be cheap. I've seen dells with 1 fan and a heatsink fan and thats it (with a 9700pro inside of it so it was not a cheap model)
nVidia will sell on SM 3, while ATI will probably tout native PCI-E. PCI-E is a going to happen, SM 3 may happen soon, maybe not, might be big, might not, might always lead to big gains, might be only big gains when nVidia help...
I'm going to say ATI because I think they're on the safer ground, that and the fact that they use only one slot and one power connector (doesn't matter if the Ultra needs the second one, it's there and it will scare people).
I'm going to say ATI because I think they're on the safer ground, that and the fact that they use only one slot and one power connector (doesn't matter if the Ultra needs the second one, it's there and it will scare people).
By the way JVD I realize they can be had at not ridiculous prices, I will be gone till august (leaving in a few days) so I will hold off till then. My goal is to get a card for <$300 just because that is what I think it a reasonable price, if they are both still over that though I am sure I will succumb to it.
Deathlike2
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My bad...
Well, having them as derivatives of the R3xx series is good thing, as we know that the R3xx solution is generally more powerful than an NV3x solution.
If you think about it, the inability of NVidia of getting their 6800 hardware out at the rate ATI is doing (effectively giving NVidia a paper-launch like start)... this can suade OEMs to choose the solution that will be the most readily available.
Price is more of a factor for OEMs, but performance can affect this decision. Marketing can easily since the X300/X600 is a derivative of the 9800, that it could sell better.
I'm still disgusted with the PCI-X equivalent of a 5200/9200 is going to be sold though.
jvd, this is my situation.
I traded my 9800pro to my brother in law to have him watch my dog for a 2 weeks. He gave me a geforce2 mx so I can use my computer till I upgrade(I still have a tnt2 ultra but that is quite a ways back).
Thus I do not have even a DX8 card in this computer at the moment.
I plan to buy a video card in august, then I will buy a whole new setup in january. I had orignially planned to get a new setup in august and keep my old one, however neither amd or intel have ramped things up as I was hoping to make the prices drop and so forth. I wanted to get a socket 939 board instead of the 754, but as of now there are no reasonably priced CPU's on it.
I traded my 9800pro to my brother in law to have him watch my dog for a 2 weeks. He gave me a geforce2 mx so I can use my computer till I upgrade(I still have a tnt2 ultra but that is quite a ways back).
Thus I do not have even a DX8 card in this computer at the moment.
I plan to buy a video card in august, then I will buy a whole new setup in january. I had orignially planned to get a new setup in august and keep my old one, however neither amd or intel have ramped things up as I was hoping to make the prices drop and so forth. I wanted to get a socket 939 board instead of the 754, but as of now there are no reasonably priced CPU's on it.
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