When will traditional monitors come to a point where they are infeasible?

Discussion in 'PC Hardware, Software and Displays' started by K.I.L.E.R, Sep 9, 2005.

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    Samsung has a new LED backlight for mass production in the second half of 2006: http://www.samsung.com/us/Products/Semiconductor/USNews/TFTLCD/TFTLCD_20051012_0000200301.asp

     
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    It doesn't sound like the backlight can adapt to the image though, they'd probably need a patent license to do that.
     
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    That light detector i prettt spiffy:grin:
     
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    There are quite a few on the market. Most are bundled in a signal format converter. Only problem is that most target videophiles and cost 10x more than your monitor.
     
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    I use my computer on and off for the entire morn/day/evening. I have a CRT monitor, and I will not give up multiple resolutions, 10 bit depth- which leads to more precise colour accuracy, and end result; is how graphics are displayed; IE: RGB/Alpha, strong/luminent gamma, whiter whites, blacker blacks, gray scales, etc..CRT has way less dithering than LCD, to acheive same colour output..

    This is why I choose ati (matrox is the best, though 3d performance sucks) and my CRT. I guess it's difficult to vary colour reproduction on LCD technology..

    My Viewsonic 19" CRT is 6yrs old and still plugging away; and once 0 response time LCDs or newer/thinner/better CRT comes out, I'll hold on to this behemoth..
     
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    i didn't know about the difference between 6bit and 8bit panels when i bought my samsung 172x. believe me, lesson learned... :sad:
     
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    You're not getting 10-bit color, friskyolive.
     
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    What does the Viewsonic N6 have? It seems to fair worse than the built in scalar in my monitor.

    I can tell the difference, if the software is capable of displaying it. The Xbox ports that have made up PC games for the last several years do not show the limitations of a 6 bit display.
     
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    Why not? Surely if you have a 10bpc framebuffer, through a good DAC, any CRT will display that analogue signal properly? I ask that in all seriousness, my knowledge of displays is pretty thin in places. If the DAC is capable and preserves the colour data, why isn't it 10bpc?
     
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    Enlighten me, then, please. ?? :) Tell me it is not ATI drivers and RAMDAC; or God forbid, my monitor? :(
     
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    No idea, I've never used it. I'm not very familiar with them myself, but I generally know that the good ones cost.

    Numerous reasons. First, while Windows supports 10 bit framebuffers, it only does so in fullscreen mode. None of the native GUI elements make use of it. Because it steals the extra 6 bits from the alpha channel, you can't use it for games, and no games I know of implement it. Unless you are running some very specialty applications, you aren't using 10 bits. Assuming you are, and you have a magical DAC that does 10 bit conversion properly (which is probably untrue for a consumer-level card), you still have everything down the line. Signal noise in the cable, noise on the other end, power fluctuations all contribute to loss of quality. The circuitry in your monitor probably isn't exact enough to preserve all 1024 discretizations. Generally, 10 bits implies "we aren't using circuitry that quantizes to 8 bits" not "we've tested everything to make certain you get 10 bits end to end". There's a lot of loss along the way. From my discussions with various people in film production and the medical display community, you end up with something like 80% of the bits in the end using analog. Guys at (I think) Disney said they measured their end to end setup and got somewhere between 5 and 6 bits out of 8 in, though they had more intermediate steps. So, at best, given 10 bits starting you could realistically expect 8 bits from a top-end ($100k) system, and I'm pretty sure you're getting less.
     
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    Excellent info, cheers. Chalnoth, is what squarewithin says what you were getting at?
     
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    the main reason I switched to an LCD is that it is

    1. lighter
    2. better geometry
    3. they have reached a point where the quality is acceptable in terms of PQ.

    ViewSonic VX924 is not a bad display at all.
     
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    I don't think it is clear that an ati based card is best (excluding matrox) anymore. I think it is really more a matter of who put together your card. My powercolor x800 was not really that good and my leadtek 6200 is actually much clearer :p that is a sad truth for me since one was $420, and the other was $50.00
     
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    Because there is no support or a 10 bit per channel framebuffer. Basically, it's a software issue.
     
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    heheh, I've just remembered, when purchasing my 8500, there were comparisons of each radeon, in terms of IQ, FPS and overall function; blast it, I do not recall which board and/or website-t'was a loong time ago. In a nutshell, it depends on the company, I suppose, though, I don't think that there is much deviation from spec today? I've had my sapphire x800xtpe for, approximately, a year. I've chosen, either ati or sapphire..Well, atleast power color is out of the question. :D

    Are you suggesting that it is game code and/or driver? Bah, all I know, is that, in direct comparison, I am able to see the difference, and can see the ghosting/blur when in motion-similar to a wave/rolling effect, and texture discrepancies/anamolies. It's very difficult to detect, though, I can; yet, for the life of me, I couldn't tell the difference between 40 and 60 fps/hz. Whom ever feels happy with their purchase, is all that matters.
     
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    well believe me now that i use one i can tell the difference. the dithering artifacts drive me insane! :mad: i ordered my 172x based just on word of mouth without much research. i didn't know about different panel types, tn and pva,mva. i thought an lcd was just an lcd...
     
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    That's just the CRT acting as a low-pass filter since it's pixel boundaries aren't discrete. It can look smoother, since it's ever so slightly blurry, but that's hardly evidence of 10 bits.
     
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