we are not done yet ati ;)

As far as performance conserned yes, (btw the new code with fast shader is much better) but it shows the texturestage opt. quite nicely.

 

Well fast shaders is multiplayer only , and its a nice improvement but mainly due to the lack of fsaa, the game still cant look good. I mean fast shaders allowed me to up the resolution from 800x600 to a whopping... 1024x768 and it still just feels sluggish after playing half life mods at constant 60fps. Thats on an overclocked 9700

jvd: Ted is saying hes found a way to allow trilinear instead of adaptvie brilinear. I think people should stop saying saying radlinker/rtool force trilinear to be honest, all the trilinear af option does is mean the application just gets the filtering it wants + anisotropic filtering. Its really how af should be applied, its not like it actually forces trilinear on all texture stages. On games like half life it gives bilinear af.

 

So there is a way to force trilinear after all? I would say feel free to share, but someone already asked and was rebuked so to speak.

 

Ati Tray Tools certainly doesn't defeat the adaptive trilinear, and it does force trilinear on all texture stages in AF, instead of just zero.

Here's two mafia shots with 4xAA/8xAF(Forced filtering with tray tool)

http://members.cox.net/malficar/Game 2004-06-af.png

http://members.cox.net/malficar/Game 2004-06-07af.png

It also corrects Halo banding problems.

Thought X800 owners might be interested.

 

we are not done yet nvidia

Here's a pic from a REAL game, Painkiller -- and the 6800 looks worse...



OMG! ATi filtering looks so awful, doesnt it...

 

Bah no need to argue longer. For now everytime someone posted "evidences" it was using special tools to defeat the algorithm, or using gamma augmented ss, or low quality movies. While none of the reviewers testing the card on real games saw anything .....

 

Re: we are not done yet nvidia

Finally, thanks.

 

Of course 6800 looks worse, They used forceware 61.11 which full trilinear is broken, thats why the full trilinear on looks the same as it does useing brilinear optimizations, sorry to burst your bubble.. but your looking at nvidias brilinear in both 6800 shots.

They also used colored mipmaps to test, which we know forces true trilinear on the x800, so a real world comparison it is not.. Its not what is being done in games.

 

Yeah its pretty poor that they dont seem on the ball as to what ATIs filtering does and the lack of full trilinear in the 61.11

 

looks like plain bilinear on the 6800 shots in that to me, settings error?

 

I don't see any colored mipmaps in those pictures...

 

I think he is speaking of the article which have indeed a couple of colored mipmaps
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1607374,00.asp

 

Is it only me or did Extremetech forgot to mention which driver version they're using on the GeForce?
AFAIK there are some versions floating around, where the "trilinear optimization" switch does not work - and since they did not notice any differences in IQ even within both of the GF6800 images, odds are, they have used one of those drivers.
edit:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1607382,00.asp
Just found it - FW61.11, Switch no go.
And by choosing medium AA in the Far Cry Settings, they most likely compared quincunx-AA to ATis SGMSAA. Funny they didn't see it.

Which makes the comparison one, where both optimizations are compared against each other and not real trilinear-AF against optimized triAF.

 

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/grafikkarten/2004/juni/volle_filterung_ati_nvidia/

One or the other might need an online translator for the news-piece is in german.

 

Re: we are not done yet nvidia

Snarfy how about using Trilinear filtering in those screen shots both the 6800 screen shots are using Bilinear instead of brilinear and trilinear!!!

 

Show us pictures of the 6800GT runing Doom I if you want to make the 6800GT look bad. Or maybe you can use photoshop to make 6800GT look bad.

 

I could if i wanted to. But why would I want to ?