The NEXT LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread

http://www.dailytech.com/DailyTech+Digest+Making+Sense+of+R600/article7079.htm

 

Someone (Bum_JCRules) on Tomshardware stated he was under NDA and said these few quotes.

So, who knows? These DT benches could be misleading.

 

It is a failure, because releasing it in that price range (which I still can't believe) will cost ATI/AMD an arm and leg and pull their earnings further down. Let alone the investments it ate already throughout the development.

 

Because they're not as imaginative, since it doesn't exist.

 

There is no RAM on the GFX-chip.

That aside, I'd rather think it's the 512-bit bus, the ROP's, the video part and so on. The ALU's are surely a bit more complex as well.

 

Good find, this whole release has become more interesting as the days go by. Cant wait for the official release.

 

I'm pretty sure they were not talking about DRAM, but regular SRAM (L1/L2/fifos/...)

 

Well that's not how I read it, but I guess you're right

 

Everytime I think about DailyTech, I think about Sander Sassen and his HardwareAnalysis R520 review. When push came to shove it just wasn't that bad as everyone expected because of all the negative fud that was popping up all over the web

 

Kudo!! Nice find.

That would help explaining a bit on what it went during this few days. I still insist I will wait until I could read on B3D analysis on this Doggy-Delay-R600 . It might be a twist at the end.

Regards,

 

I get the feeling that the 2900XT and XTX will be good cards and shine in the areas that ATi normally shine in however will that be enough ?

I think that releasing your card later than the opposition means you are on a hiding to nothing unless you can pull out a big performance jump over the current best of breed and that is not likely to happen this time.

Looking at history one unwanted, but positive, side effect of the FX 5800U for nvidia was that at with nv40 they were starting from a low base with not great expectations and so when nv40 came along in the same time frame and similar performance to the ATi offering it was seen as a big improvement from them even though really only the 6600GT was only a fair way above equivalent ATi card.

Since then nvidia seem to be always getting the first shot in with the impressive 40-60% gains over the last generation. To get these gains and the kudos you need to be first out the door with the next generation. Something ATi has failed twice with now. For G80 I was just expecting a 40% faster card, which we more than got, but we also got some interesting architecture to think about and also some better IQ as well ( gasp! ) so really they wowed the audience. With the new R6xx series cards they will be good but that wow factor will be missing again.

AMD really do need to get the next gen card out first again to regain the upper hand in this respect.

 

Yeah, hopefully Mr Bum_JCRules knows something we (and DT) don't.

Anyway, I need a new PSU to power the 2900XT, my 480W won't be enough. Will this booster thingy do the job? http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-SK&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=484

It has 2 PCI express outputs. The price is right.

 

I think it is a save bet if you can add psu to your system and get more of you need. That would be a nice add-on PSU.

 

lol IbaneZ, I too currently have a 480W PSU and almost ordered a OCZ GameXStream 700W Power Supply before realising that it could be an incorrect PSU to buy for the R600 so cancelled my order.

Will that booster have the correct connectors for the R600 and will it have enough connectors for X-fire R600?

US

 

512-bit with only 8 channels...?

 

Apparently the 2900 has one 6 pin and one 8 pin, but the card should run just fine with two 6 pins. This is just based on rumors though, I have no idea.

Two R600's in X-fire will probably kill that little booster baby.

 

Fudo keeps saying that the 8-ping is only if you want to use overdrive..

 

Sorry, but I believe I do, in fact I think you just misinterpreted what I was saying. I know this is off topic and once we have real benchmarks I may start a new thread about it if the point is still relevant but all I was saying is that if the XT, which is clearly much faster than Xenos no matter what is scoring similar to R580 then it has major implications for the old R520/R580 vs Xenos question which in turn has implications for RSX vs Xenos.

Of course its way to early to draw those kinds of conlusions so lets just leave it there until we know more

 

The second sentence doesnt actually explain why the numbers are low on DTs review, but it brings other questions to the table.

Firstly, DT didnt even mention about benching crossfire/SLi, but notice how he mentions about the numbers for the crossfire/SLi performance?

Secondly, XP drivers and OS? what OS? so they benching in Vista where in fact the XT is alot closer to the GTX?

and just maybe.. maybe DT didnt sign the NDA and got hold of the card somehow.. *cough* AT * cough*.

 

DT surely hasn't got their card from ATI (because they should have signed the NDA in this case) but if they received their cards from Anandtech then Anand is in trouble: I don't think the NDA they signed allows the card to be given to benchmark to an external source.
My guess is that they got cards from another source (vendor, maybe).