The NEXT LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Pre-release GPU Speculation' started by Geo, Mar 1, 2007.

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  1. nutball

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    Because... it looks like AMD marketing doesn't know what the **** it's doing? Running around like headless chickens? This "launch" has had more ins and outs and ups and downs than a cheap porn movie.
     
  2. Unknown Soldier

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    Frankly, I beleive AMD dropped the ball when they delayed in March already.

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    Yes, that's what I was meaning really. The whole episode, not just this latest twist. Last minute tweaks happen, but the last six months just smack of vacant stares around conference tables.
     
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    Not sure what I've said that could possibly give you that impression. I think you're focusing two much on the fact that I said that the GTS was two products down - the GTX and Ultra being its superiors. My main point is that from all appearances the XT (AMD's flagship) won't be going up against Nvidia's current flagship GTX, hence the Ultra is irrelevant. Was just trying to understand how that was similiar to the GF6 situation in your mind.

    But this is all based on numbers that are highly suspect so I'll stop nagging you now.
     
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    Coz nobody else thought it would be cool to pull something out of their dark dark anal cavity?Probably not, since it shows ATi as OMGWTFTEHSAUCE and thus must be true. Personally, from a business standpoint, I do feel that the x2900xt will do wonderful things for consumers...dunno if for AMD it`ll have a similar effect, but for us it should usher in some very very nice price adjustments.
     
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    That guy probably has a Alan Wake demo as well, let's raid his offices :cool:

    On a serious note, I still see some stuff out there that have no merit. Patience.
     
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    Well you can't avoid the architecture to architecture comparisons. You seem to be implying that they can just set a low price on their fastest card and say "Hey look, we're fastest at $xxx". I think the price point of the XT is a lot more telling than any numbers from DT. If they thought it could compete favorably at a higher price point this move would boil down to initiating a price war. Exactly why would they do that?
     
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    Talking about the DT benchies I hope. Otherwise XTX is a damn dog.....
     
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    Well he just posted at Rage about DTs cred so maybe that is what he meant.
     
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    you dont see the glaring problem in your view? The cards launching almost 6 months after nVidia and if it offers nothing really earth shattering thats really about as bad as you can get short of performing worse in many titles as well.

    The XT is also launching at a reactive price DUE to its late introduction so i think you're being far too lenient. IF the card had launched within a reasonable time frame to the competition it would easily have been a $499 part rather then a $399. They've basically been forced into the $399 pricepoint, that you think looks so good, due to how late the launch is.

    We're also talking about the flagship card as well until an XTX shows its face in quantity, the same goes for any 8800Ultra, the GTX is still the flagship card. This launch, at least from this distant perspective that leaked information is offering, is turning out to be as exciting as the X800XT was against the 6800Ultra (not a huge performance gap or large advantage in IQ), except this time instead of launching withing a few weeks of eachother ATi is coming in 6 months later which makes it look terrible.
     
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    Virtual memory fragment aware cache

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    A success for consumers how? Consumers have had 'as good' a card since last year...
     
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    Not sure if someone posted it yet. Just got an update on my pre-order, it got postponed 'till May 28th
     
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    neliz, who did you pre-order from?
     
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    Even if there is no XTX, the Ultra is relevant in the sense that it steals some attention from AMD's new launch.
     
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    Has DT mentioned anything about power consumption or power connectors? If it indeed does consume a lot more power than GTX while being slower at the same time, then it'll suck big time.
     
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    Well, at least the air sucking part of it is similar (if the fan is indeed the same). :D

    As for the power requirements, yes, that's true.
    I'm still waiting to learn about the recommended amperage of the XT.
     
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    And just think about those 65nm refresh parts! Now if the rumours are true and both the NV and AMD refreshes are just shrinks and NV gets it's refresh out around the same time as AMD, they will have to compete with prices again. So we'll be getting 65nm R650 with high clocks , low power consumption, low noise and even lower prices!:grin:
    Provided of course that AMD is still in business..:lol:
     
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    Not asking you, specifically, Jawed, but quoting for context, and assuming an architecture somewhat based on Xenos as above...

    How on God's green earth can they take a 232M transistor chip, add 16 more shader ALUs (vec 4+1 or vec5) to the existing 48, and end up with 700M+ trannies????

    For cripes' sake! Even adding a GS and more int functionality...surely D3D10 compliance does not require 400M transistors. :???:

    I'm really missing something here.
    (I realize the 232M figure does not include the ROPs, etc. but still...)

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    One design decision that is in AMD's favor price-wise for the XT is the fact that they can get away with placing the 512MB XT against the 640MB 8800 GTS, since performance of the XT is supposed to be as good or better in comparison. Having 128MB less RAM is some ground for cost savings, don't you think? Given the apparent failure of the XTX to outpace the GTX at the very high end, then the next best thing is to have a price-to-performance advantage at lower price point(s). It's not like AMD partners are making no money selling the XT at $399-$449. The fact of the matter is that having less RAM on board in comparison to a similarly performing card from the competition gives them some cost savings in that area, so they can price it very competitively while still making money on it.

    Obviously if the XT could compete against the 8800 GTX, they would be pricing it much higher. Maybe it can't quite reach that level of performance, so it has to be priced lower than the GTX, which is no big deal given the fact that it has 256MB RAM less in comparison.
     
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