Super Cell (CELL insider talks to Forbes)

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  1. one

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    Since Forbes.com requires free reg, Yahoo provides it nag-free...

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/fo/20050127/bs_fo/e77d9f1fe84a7208eec1dd0d6df251c4

    Hmm, the green light for multiple PEs in a 65nm Cell...? :wink:
     
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    You know, even if PS3 is a dud, even if no one will buy it, at least Sony will have DBZ fans buying it just for the names....

    Super Cell ||| Frieza Bu Edition pack will sell like hotcakes...
     
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    Unreal 3 is hardly "movie quality" :) But then again, it wasn't about PS3 specifically.
     
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    So is this a confirmation that one PE @ 90nm will be capable of 256GFlops? That would sure make a 2PE or even a 4PE chip possible at 65nm aka up to 1TFlop!

    Fredi
     
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    so that means what for the microchip ignorant dumb here like me?
    that the performance advantage can be maintained for 5 years over current X86 pc technnology?
    is moores law cracked? can we simulate our own nuclear tests at home ?
     
  6. London Geezer

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    It's all PR talk we've all heard before.
     
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    The hype engine is in full throttle ;)
     
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    We will know more in three days (plus the lag between us and the press). :)

    Fredi
     
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    My favourite quotes:

    What? Like The Matrix?

    Damn that "tricky engineering stuff"! :lol:
     
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    It's interesting they are still "talking" about having workstations. Shouldn't those be a reality by now, based on comments from previous press releases??
     
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    Are they just saying here - 1 PPC core + 8 APUs? 9 cores? Where would 10 come from?

    So we may get an actual demo on a physical computer at the ISSCC rather than just papers/slides? I'm wondering what kind of graphics demo they could do without wandering into PS3 territory - perhaps a realtime "adaptation" of a famous CG movie scene aka the FF or Antz GS demos? That would be so nice....but I should stop letting my imagination run away with itself ;)
     
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    Yep. Better run before u're turned into a battery.

    Yeah, with PS3 devs will be able to produce FFTSW type of graphics without having to worry about doing anything. Cell workstations will do it for them. 5 years development of FFTSW was all a waste. They should have waited for the Cell workstations, clicked on "FFTSW: CREATE" and go have a coffee.
     
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    One of the first CELL related patent claimed that a CELL cpu could be built with an additional APU, in order to have a fully functional chip even if a single APU is defective.

    ciao,
    Marco
     
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    Great. We get to hear Emotion Engine hype all over again.
    Second verse, same as the first.


    (Though I do expect Cell to be much more important to computing than the EE ever was.)
     
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    Just bought 12.
     
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    Riiiiiiight Ken. I think MS and Nintendo need to take lessons from this guy. While this is GREAT stuff for the mainstream press and mainstream consumers to get them excited it really turns me off. CELL is an AWESOME piece of technology and deserves hype and attention. But this is the entire EE thing all over again. While CELL is gonna kick some serious butt, I think the Xenon design is not gonna be some wimp either. And it seems the MS offering from what we know will be pretty flexible and be a very good general computing device. So PS3 is brute power and Xenon looks to be more general purpose. Mark it now: Whoever creates the platform that is the most flexible, accessible, and affordable is going to reach the most developers. I want to know what Sony and MS are doing in this area. I could care less about the PR.

    Now on to some mathmatical conjecture. 32 chips for 16TFLOPs. That is 500GFLOPs per chip. Note that the CELL engineer says "This figure is "probably a p.r. exaggeration," the Cell engineer says" but "future workstations containing racks of 32 chips" will likely reach 16TFLOPs". So it would seem 500GFLOPs CELLS are the future but not the present.

    The article also states that the current chip is in the 250GFLOPs range which with the "future" comment and putting the numbers together seems to confirm the first CELLS will be in the 250GFLOPs range.

    So my guess is that the first CELLs are going to be 250GLFOPs and that a shrink to 45nm will bring about 500GFLOPs chips that will make up the 32chip 16TFLOPs workstations.
     
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    :roll: Hype comments are the white space of console discussions.

    EE and Cell are one and the same only separated by time.
     
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    EE had lousy performance considering the area it took, the VUs were too limited in both performance and flexibility to justify the size IMO. A spruced up SH-4 would have offered the same performance with easier programming and a smaller die size. Now I still dont like the Cell architecture that much, but it is at least moderately flexible and if they can pump out 250 GFLOPs without exceeding the EEs initial die size it will be a far better design.
     
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    And a couple FLOPS here or there. ;) Hardly noticable hehehe
     
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    ...and that's probably 80 million right there. :p
     
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