Steve Jobs told kutaragi he was dissapointed with cell
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We've kind of been over this..over and over again. Cell is not a chip for PCs. Well as the main CPU anyway. At least not for now. It could make a nice co-processor though, perhaps.
It'd run probably a lot of PC apps "ok" and if some others were optimised for it, it'd run them blazingly. But "ok" isn't enough in a competitive environment, and "blazingly" would require a lot of work, more than a transition to Intel even, probably.
Intel makes more sense, for sure.
It'd run probably a lot of PC apps "ok" and if some others were optimised for it, it'd run them blazingly. But "ok" isn't enough in a competitive environment, and "blazingly" would require a lot of work, more than a transition to Intel even, probably.
Intel makes more sense, for sure.
Shark Sandwich
Regular
I'm kind of disappointed that Cell won't be used in next-gen Apple computers, but I'm not too surprised. Any kind of "general purpose" computer is going to need out-of-order execution to run fast enough.
Oh well, if you want a Cell-based personal computer, get the Linux+hard drive for PS3.
Oh well, if you want a Cell-based personal computer, get the Linux+hard drive for PS3.
Shark Sandwich said:I'm kind of disappointed that Cell won't be used in next-gen Apple computers, but I'm not too surprised. Any kind of "general purpose" computer is going to need out-of-order execution to run fast enough.
Oh well, if you want a Cell-based personal computer, get the Linux+hard drive for PS3.
I'm still waiting for my EE+GS scalable workstation. I don't think Im gonna hold my breath on the linux ps3
Pozer said:I'm still waiting for my EE+GS scalable workstation. I don't think Im gonna hold my breath on the linux ps3
We had linux PS2 so why not linux PS3?
I'm not so sure if it'll be "scaleable" though...Kutaragi and Sony's CTO has actually said that PS3s can be connected together for distributed processing out of the box (that's why there are so many network ports there, apparently), but IBM et al have been so quiet on that feature that it makes me wonder. Kutaragi has said the PS3 OS has that fully implemented though. It'd be sweet if it happened, but I'm not holding my breath.
Story makes no sense. Sony wanted Apple to adopt the Cell in exchange for access to Sony technologies?
Or Sony wanted Apple to put something like iTunes on Cell? Which would of course hurt Sony's digital audio players.
Anyways, Idei and KK are not calling the shots any more.
KK talked about nonlinear video editing and image processing applications on the PS3. Final Cut and Photoshop? Those apps aren't going to be big draws to the people who buy consoles. And if you can buy a $300 console which can do those things effectively (Final Cut and Photoshop each cost around $1000), why would people buy expensive Power Macs and PowerBooks?
As for Apple and Intel needing to come out with some answer to consoles as part of the living room war, well over 100 million consoles have been sold each generation and they haven't really killed the PC business yet.
People aren't in a great hurry to have PCs in the living room. PC games in the living room aren't that great a draw, since you need keyboards and mice. And there's no great demand to do video or photo editing in the living room with a big TV either. If video downloads became a big thing, an appliance has as good a chance as a PC/Mac of managing your video collection.
Or Sony wanted Apple to put something like iTunes on Cell? Which would of course hurt Sony's digital audio players.
Anyways, Idei and KK are not calling the shots any more.
KK talked about nonlinear video editing and image processing applications on the PS3. Final Cut and Photoshop? Those apps aren't going to be big draws to the people who buy consoles. And if you can buy a $300 console which can do those things effectively (Final Cut and Photoshop each cost around $1000), why would people buy expensive Power Macs and PowerBooks?
As for Apple and Intel needing to come out with some answer to consoles as part of the living room war, well over 100 million consoles have been sold each generation and they haven't really killed the PC business yet.
People aren't in a great hurry to have PCs in the living room. PC games in the living room aren't that great a draw, since you need keyboards and mice. And there's no great demand to do video or photo editing in the living room with a big TV either. If video downloads became a big thing, an appliance has as good a chance as a PC/Mac of managing your video collection.
What's this topic doing in this forum?
A: it's not console related.
B: Jobs isn't a hardware expert, he's a used car salesman in the computer biz, very much like Trip Hawkins.
C: apple was obviously going to switch anyway no matter what the design/performance of cell, and saying cell sucks is just a knee-jerk parting gift aimed at IBM.
D: who cares about apple anyway? Anyone at all? At most you might buy an ipod but that's it, so why do you even care what Jobs is blabbing?
A: it's not console related.
B: Jobs isn't a hardware expert, he's a used car salesman in the computer biz, very much like Trip Hawkins.
C: apple was obviously going to switch anyway no matter what the design/performance of cell, and saying cell sucks is just a knee-jerk parting gift aimed at IBM.
D: who cares about apple anyway? Anyone at all? At most you might buy an ipod but that's it, so why do you even care what Jobs is blabbing?
-tkf- said:
It might. But it would be hard. Just about all current applicatios are written with a totally different kind of architecture in mind. Let us first see some serious multi-threading and stream-centered applications, then we can think of building a box that runs them well. In the mean time, multi-core offers a bit of an improvement, as long as you use multiple general purpose CPUs to do it, and use more than one applications at the same time.
But in a few years from now, an architecture like Cell might start to make sense for other things than games and applications that only want as much horsepower as they can get. And it would very probably require an adoption by the Linux crowd to make that happen.
randycat99
Veteran
People, people...this is but a single step in the course of Apple history. For all we know, they may be shopping around for yet another CPU platform switch in another 10 years. By then, and if all goes well, can you imagine how Cell will have matured as an architecture? If anything, that would be a very "safe" time to jump into Cell, no?
jvd said:
I think T3 had B2B.
Boob 2 Boob - the blondie's boobs vs Arnie's boobs.
