Steam Hardware and Software Survey (May 2017)

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  1. Alessio1989

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    Except China is not over the 65% world population that have enough money to buy a PC and play games on steam network.
    The survey is broken, just compare the data of graphs (the VR doesn't reach the 100% at all), the DX graphs is inconsistent with the OS data (even if you properly swap the DX12 system data with the DX12-pre10 system data), and all those low level systems (750 GTX TI) are paired mostly with over 12+GB RAM (!), the "Other Settings" data is completely messed up with the share changing...
     
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  2. Ethatron

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    LOL, I really don't know why you keep asking for something you'll never get. You somehow have to extract what you need from what you do get.
     
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    "somehow" = "you can't" and not just for him, but in general
     
  4. Alessio1989

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    What to extract from a pile of crap? Wildfire?
     
  5. CaptainGinger

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    Methane?
     
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  6. Alessio1989

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    And would you disappoint lord Putin of the Gazprom Kingdom?
     
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  7. Bondrewd

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    Actually you'd disappoint either Lord Miller or Lord Sechin.
     
  8. Ethatron

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    I know it's funny, and I laughed (at the exchange), but that is exactly what statisticians do, seperate certain information from uncertain in datasets in various degree of confidence, possibly correlating it with other datasets.
     
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  9. CarstenS

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    If only someone would research computer algorithms that can analyze massive amounts of data in a self-learning fashion.
     
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  11. DrYesterday

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    I had a look at the November numbers for the current generation products:

    1. 1060 13.41%
    2. 1050 Ti 9.90%
    3. 1050 4.40%
    4. 1070 1.57%
    5. 1080 0.81%
    6. 1080 Ti 0.34%
    7. RX 460 0.34%
    8. RX 480 0.29%
    Nvidia share: 30.43%
    AMD share: 0.63%

    So for the computers that Steam surveys, Nvidia is outselling AMD 48 to 1. It's never been this lopsided before. As we know, AMD is selling a ton of cards to miners.

    Based on the Discrete GPU Market Share Report for Q3 2017, Nvidia leads AMD 72.8% to 27.2% (2.68 to 1). Putting the two sets of numbers together, 94% of AMD's cards are going to mining instead of gaming.
     
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    Or 94% of systems with AMD Cards never get selected for Steam Survey.
     
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  13. DrYesterday

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    So you are suggesting:
    • Some random number anomaly that massively underpicks AMD systems EVERY single month
    • AMD users are some 20x more likely to not respond to the survey as Nvidia users EVERY single month
    • Steam is purposely under reporting the numbers for AMD systems
    Statistics are a well known science. There is no good reason to believe that Steam is doing anything wrong with their survey techniques.

    You can also look at the revenue numbers that AMD & Nvidia report to the SEC. Do you believe one (or both) of these companies is being untruthful in their financial reporting?
     
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    No. The truth is somewhere between your impossible extreme scenario and the other impossible extreme scenario.
     
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    We have a saying in Finland that goes like "a lie, a big lie, statistics"
     
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    My anecdotal experience is Steam always asks me to participate in the survey when I randomly start Steam in my Surface Pro just to update or make some purchases, but very rarely it asks me to participate when I fire up Steam to play in my office machine with a RX Vega (and X-Fire R9 290X before that).
     
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    From what I recall, I have never had a steam survey on my gaming PC setup in the past 8 years but always get it on my web surfing or office PCs. The Steam statistics are cake.
     
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    I am curious as to why AMD users became so STEAM-shy since the time when 48xx cards quickly came to dominate their Fermi counterparts in the survey.
     
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    Definitely not the fault of Steam when most of them are used in massive mining rigs that never bother to install Steam in the first place.
     
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    Perhaps AMD should tie the use of the block chain driver to the installation of the steam client somehow. :D
     
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