running a message board...

blakjedi

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How hard is it?
How do you start it if you are not web savvy?
Does it pay for itself with ads?

Considering building a bulletin board (or three!) but I need some pointers on how to get started. I am a pretty quick learner once I get going... any help from the mods is definitely appreciated.
 
Depends on so many things.

A lot of time the type of message board you run can greatly effect the pain you might experience. It can be hard if you're not to web savvy, but the real moderation issues come to what Digi said, is it fun or not. And more so, is it worth it personally to you or not.

You can get a way with a basic board by having just a bit of web experience, but anything advanced or for a very large message board then you'll want to spend a lot of time reading and have some past experience.

As for money, probably not. While ads help, rarely does it pay the bills for a low-medium or larger traffic site in my experience. Typically a site to back it up is required to help fund the message board.
 
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thanks digi-

I want it to be fun...

one BB is to be a business for me in one my interests (politics) and I have some pretty nifty ideas about what I want to do... a labor of love so to speak

One BB is for work - I want to change some of the old stodgy practices of listserves filling up exhange mailboxes worldwide... it should be fun until its either finished or someone else wants to take credit for it which is GUARANTEED to happen.

The final one is a members only board for an orgainzation I helped to start a few years ago and I want to see it flourish as much as possible...

You're right, hard isn't right word to use in this case... I'm much more of a security and network guy, not a web designer and programmer... but I wouldnt mind learning just enough to manage my sites...

I will probably call upon you guys as often as I can for pointers so LOOK OUT! lol
 
How hard is it?
It depends, really.

From a technical standpoint, it may be a tad bit difficult at times, especially with forum upgrades and back ups, which tend to bug at times. Nothing a clean reinstall plus a roll back to an older back up can't save, though.

The rest is up to you and to the type of forum you're opening. If you start a console forum, you're certain that it would be harder to moderate than, say, a forum about a particular car.
You want to open a political forum, this may make your head hurt a bit, though...
And in the end it's really up to the person mentality. Some are more sensible than others, as you know, and it's really advised to be the detached type when you're moderating a "sensible" forum.

How do you start it if you are not web savvy?
Well, it won't be too hard to start if you're not too LAMP allergic and you're willing to learn.
Putting together a forum is really not an adventure of epic proportions as long as you're tech-savvy. Most forum packages out there have simple step by step install systems.

I can install and config for you any boards you want, but it would be better if you learned the basic know-how yourself so you can fix quickly any potential issue that may appear.

I propose you to train yourself with a local AMP (Apache the web server, MySQL the database, PHP the programming language) server. That way, you won't have to deal with the slow and limited servers from free hosts, nor have to pay for a host right away.
There's a great French program (its translated in English alright, don't panic, sacrebleu) that installs and lets you config an AMP server easily.

http://www.easyphp.org/

Read the comprehensive FAQ that comes with it, it should adress any of the practical questions you may have. It's really easy to install, config and run, I don't think you'd have any issues with it.

Now, with your server up and running, you need a forum or board package. There are a ton of theses, some are free, other are sharewares, some have a lot of options and capabilities while others are really limited and bare, etc...
Personally, I'd recommand you, at least for a start, two free board packages, MyBB and phpBB.
Try MyBB first, given that it has a lot more features than the more "streamlined" phpBB.

http://www.mybboard.com/
http://www.phpbb.com/

Both are as easy to install than each others, and you can obviously install the two forums (in two different folders) on your AMP server using the same database (MyBB and phpBB don't use the same prefix, so there won't be any issues) if you want to test both.
Both packages use simple step-by-step visual installation methods, just enter the asked info and click "next" until your forum is up and running.

Seeing that you'll have the Apache server running locally, you won't need to have a FTP client to upload your files (the board package in this case) to the server. But once you'll have a dedicated host, you'll need one. Here too, there are a lot of FTP clients to choose from, the best ones are sharewares (FlashFXP), but tons of freewares are more than enough for basic and casual operations.
I'd recommad you the freewares SmartFTP and Filezilla, in that order.

http://www.smartftp.com/
http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/

I won't explain how the basic interactions between FTP server <> FTP client work, because I suspect that you should know about that already. If you don't try reading the FAQ/Help file from the file, or just do ask in this thread, I'll try to explain it quickly, if somebody didn't already done just that, of course.

Once everything up and running, try to familiarise yourself with the administration tools. Simply put, try every functions of the panel just to see what in does in facts.

All in all, you can have your AMP server with your test board running on your PC in less than an hour if you are already silghtly web savvy, and in a few hours if you're learning from scratches. And you'd be ready to learn about the theme customisations and the forum hacks, in no time.

Of course, don't hesitate to ask, if you do encounter any problem with the various installs and tools.
Does it pay for itself with ads?
No.
Well, if you have a really successful forum and if you have a low cost server, maybe...
 
I think WAMPserver and phpbb are great and easy for starting out. You can have one running in less than half an hour, and installing and configuration are easy and automated. Even if you're not web-savvy, you should be able to do that pretty easily.
 
You can also look at web hosts which provide read-to-install packages you can enable via your control panel. My sister hosts at Dreamhost which has a Joomla package ready to install. It does it all for you and you end up with a completely customisable CMS with forums etc. There are many hosts which provide similar packages.
 
Okay so I decided to go with a Joomla-SMF package... It does everything I would need in a hosted site in a free, open source package... for work i have to go with a phpbb forum because we have to run everything on either MSSQL or Oracle... so far this is fun... trying to find a good host. Thanks for the heads up Kalbaz!
 
How hard is it?

Be prepared to deal with spam. Nothing like checking out your forum and find that all those 30 news posts since yesterday is links to various porn and warez sites. I installed phpbb on my server pretty much only because the webhost provided it and it was just a click on the admin page to install it. Traffic is low, like a post or two a week or so at most, if I don't count the spam, which is the majority. I thought visual confirmation would be enough to get rid of spam accounts, but apparently not. Now I've gone as far as requiring admin approval of all new accounts, which seems to work for now.
 
Spam and Moderation can be pretty hard depending on your traffic as well rulesets for your paticular forums you moderate.

Chris
 
Humus don't they have those packages where the person signing up has input a visual verification code...?

That only stops a portion of it, as there are people whom actually spend their days signing up to every forum they can find posting spam. They actually call it a living.
 
Okay have the two sites up for my personal pages... I could install the forums (SMF) using the fantastico installer program in the cpanel, but i want to integrate the login for the forum and the site using the joomlahack bridge. Because of that i have to manually install the SMF forum which is a pain but saves me 50 bucks per site. Parsing through the setup guides has been... interesting. I'm a windows/cisco security guy so a unix cli is a lil bit different. Lets say i'm muddling through at best. :)

On the internal work side I decided to build an Oracle server on a windows server running Apache and install phpbb there... (everything but phpbb is approved by our change control boards) I'm actually stuck in the wierdest place... Windows 2003 check. Oracle 10g, check! Apache check! I just dont get how to install phpbb. I tried placing teh install files in the root of Apache server and point back to the /localhost/install/install.php file but it wont work. The server will see every other file folder combination though... what am I missing?
 
http://jsas.joomlasolutions.com/

Who knew? :D

Now if I can find a good resource for CSS/Template modification. I get the idea of stylesheets but not technically how to modify them so I can change my template to look the way I want... any pointers? Many of the CSS tutorials I have found start off in medias res which is not where I am technically...
 
Speaking as a self-taught CSSer, grasping the basic concepts -- the syntax, how to construct classes and identifiers, and applying your styles (and the order they take precedence and cascade) to your markup -- is a piece of cake and nothing to be frightened of.

You could do worse than checking out the intros at w3schools.com or htmlhelp.com (they come top of a Google search for CSS intros and both are decent), to get you started, and the official CSS reference can be found at w3.org.

Failing that, just ask on the forums. There are enough web developers around to help you out, me included.
 
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