Rage / ID tech 5 @ E3

You mean so you can shine one flashlight while beating zombies with the other one Or do you mean on the guns.

 

Even the first would make me happy. The 2nd, phew, that'd just be unbalanced

 

rage maybe intriguing in someways, but seriously though think most of us want to see some doom4+idtech5 action!

 

iD tech 5 has been underwhelming me since I saw the first trailer last year. Way too much hype for what's almost sure to be yet another disappointing franchise from them.

I'm not even sure why people are drooling over the graphics either... Games like RE5 and LBP look way more impressive to me, but maybe I'm just not a fan of iD's art style. TBH, I think tech 5 (Rage in particular) just looks like a slightly higher fidelity version of tech 4 (Doom 3) with (finally) decent support for outdoor scenes. The characters in Rage look just like their Doom 3 predecessors, that same plastic, shiny skin look.

Note, this is all just my opinion.

 

ET:QW did some nice outdoor stuff with Tech4. Rage is a good step up from that and at least on par with RE5 and LBP in my opinion.

 

Obviously I do not share your opinion. I'm not sure how you could say that, TBH. LBP looks so much better than just about every game currently on the market (or that's been previewed in development) that my mind is boggled that anyone could think "Doom 3 on steroids outdoors" looks even remotely as good, but you're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

Just out of curiousity, have you seen the RE5 and LBP hi-def trailers on PSN (including everything to come out of E3, specifically the press conference), or have you based your opinion on screenshots and low quality videos?

 

I watched some of the HD RE5 videos and I have no idea why you think it is so spectacular in comparison. To be honest I was struck by how similar they looked in the close in areas, and of course we have yet to see how RE5 goes for large areas.

We will see how it unfolds though. I think we definitely have reached an area of diminishing returns visually. Seeing how slow crysis runs in comparison to the increase in visual fidelity vs. previous generations makes me think that, of course there could be other efforts that show that is not true.

 

I just don't see the resemblance. What, they're both dark with lots of shadows?

Not true. The latest footage showed plenty of outdoor scenes, including a vehicle combat scene in a desert which looked very nice, IMHO.

When we get to the point of Cinema 2.0 quality as standard, then I agree we will have reached the point of diminishing returns.

I don't believe Crysis is the best example to use here. User reports of piss-poor perf. scaling abound.

 

I would say it surpasses those games (considering ingame play/graphic shown of both those games). It will be an interesting game to behold when released.... well see if it mantains the same IQ.

Must be a small market that one!

 

enough of this console derived sillyness......

 

It's not silly at all, given the engine in question. Carmack is trying to "level the playing field" across platforms with Tech 5. He's made comments in that vein, anyway.

 

I thought color pallete, art, and even the skin was reminiscent actually

I did watch that video as well, I have to disagree that they showed it to my satisfaction, but it is not my place to suggest what you should think of it.

And maybe you were right about crysis, who knows.

 

I've re-watched footage of each back-to-back and I still don't see the resemblance, but your sense of aesthetics is just as valid as mine so it's certainly not right of me to imply you are wrong.

 

Well Rage might look similar across the platforms and thus it will be enjoyable for those with low spec PC's. But DOOM4 using the improved engine will deliver more for the PC gamers!

Quake Con keynote

 

Ah... I knew Id wouldn't us down

So the PC remains the platform of choice for Doom. And rightly so!

 

Hang on....

Holy crap!.... Seriously?!?

 

Thats nice to hear considering I'm writing this on my new iPhone

 

I found some details on a forum:

iPhone:

CPU- ARM 1176 at 412mhz with 100mhz FSB, 32k cache
Main memory- 128MB at 133mhz with 16MB reserved for the GPU
GPU- PowerVR MBX
WLAN chipset- Marvell 8686 (sometimes reported as 1868. Kext labeled 868x)
Audio Codec- Wolfson WM8758

Here's more specs on the PowerVR GPU-
Up to 133mhz in 130nm parts, up to 233 in 90nm parts
~130M pixel/sec peak fillrate
~1.7M triangle/sec peak fillrate
*Optional* Vertex Processor with Hardware T&L and Vertex shaders, most likely used for the iPhone's implementation of Core Animation and OpenGL.
Supports Anti-Aliasing (2D and 3D), Anistrophic Filtering, Fogging and Texture Compression
Supports OpenGL ES and MGL Propriatary API
Hardware MPEG-1 and 2 and WMA video acceleration up to 720*480, MPEG-4 up to 640x480 (explains why the iPhone video standard format for h.264 is such)

 

Well, the DS and the PSP put together is essentially still just the PSP Still, a rather bold claim.

PS. if he really thinks a tiler will outrun a traditional rasterizer with 4 times the fillrate when programmed well he could have been a little more flattering about PowerVR in the past

 

Direct Feed Screenshots

Look good to me !