Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech - AUDIO
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Bagel seed
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Well, that's GT6 so I'm not too surprised the sound is still like that. With more memory hopefully they'll add more details. Gear changes sound weak, everything is too linear sounding and pitch shifty with no randomness to it.
I doubt GT6 will sound like the real counterpart but it is unfair to compare an offscreen video with actual real life footage
user542745831
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The source of the GT6 video is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZxx4XTzFI
And although the video was captured off-screen, the audio was captured more or less via direct-feed according to the video description, see:
GTPlanet said:
TheWretched
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Well, to be fair, in GT5, with a BIG home cinema system, you could have really nice sound (put it into "big theater" mode and turn UP the volume).
Though the in car sounds still sound muffled, the outside audio is GREAT. Also in replays. Never understood that. My stock Mazda sounds louder than this.
Though the in car sounds still sound muffled, the outside audio is GREAT. Also in replays. Never understood that. My stock Mazda sounds louder than this.
When you start a car it always sound great, it's the loops that are ugly and short. (I like the Ford GT sound though)
I hope more memory and sound processing power will help them make better synthesized sound, or at least more interesting composite sound which don't feel like cheap loops. So maybe we'll have to wait for the PS4 version.
I hope more memory and sound processing power will help them make better synthesized sound, or at least more interesting composite sound which don't feel like cheap loops. So maybe we'll have to wait for the PS4 version.
user542745831
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IMHO, Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) for example has much better engine sounds than Gran Turismo (especially in tunnels). And it's running on PS3, not PS4.
Just listen to the following three videos for example:
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[YT]HspYzoVamBs[/YT]
That is worlds apart to what Gran Turismo sounds like IMHO.
Bagel seed
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^ Good examples. Though I wonder how much of it is due to not having to have a dozen or more cars on the same track at any given time like GT does.
In all fairness, GT probably had to simplify their sound capture process because of the sheer amount of cars in their game, whereas NFS can focus on perfecting a much smaller list. Still, I'm not sure it's a good excuse anymore. Their capture process and sound engine needs definitely needs improvement.
Here's a good article on the guys that were behind the sound of NFS.
The bolded couldn't be more true :smile: FWIW I think both GT and Forza adopted the dyno recording method. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT only captured engine revs for a lot of their cars done earlier and just reused and tweaked those sounds.
I'm afraid though that PD would basically have to go back and re-record all the cars. Hopefully they're doing that before GT7. You can't polish a turd... the source samples need to be good.
In all fairness, GT probably had to simplify their sound capture process because of the sheer amount of cars in their game, whereas NFS can focus on perfecting a much smaller list. Still, I'm not sure it's a good excuse anymore. Their capture process and sound engine needs definitely needs improvement.
Here's a good article on the guys that were behind the sound of NFS.
Over the years we’ve changed our recording techniques in search of methods which made the cars come alive. We used to record cars by placing them on on a dynamometer, but this gave us a pretty “stale” lifeless sound (perfect for programatic, scientific cars though
For NFS we’ve recorded 150+ cars, anything from regular to high end 1 million dollar race-cars. Each of those is a new experience as you always have to find the optimum recording spots. Besides that we’ve done car crash recordings in multiple ways, several sessions of skid recordings, road surfaces, bumps, turbos, rattles etc. You name it on a car, and we probably recorded it.
The bolded couldn't be more true :smile: FWIW I think both GT and Forza adopted the dyno recording method. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT only captured engine revs for a lot of their cars done earlier and just reused and tweaked those sounds.
I'm afraid though that PD would basically have to go back and re-record all the cars. Hopefully they're doing that before GT7. You can't polish a turd... the source samples need to be good.
What seems to be really missing is the aerodynamic noise, which would face an uncanny valley if pre-recorded. Some of that wind+gust technology in KZSF coupled to the audio engine might make for some very realistic wind noise simulation as well as flutter making for a more realistic experience both gameplay and audio wise.
Wow, yeah I agree it's much better.
user542745831
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Three more video-examples
(make sure to watch/listen in HD for best audio):[YT]OoZNX5I3Obg[/YT]
[YT]2ZbMk2tU24M[/YT]
[YT]TJgSsKn49fk[/YT]
Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) probably has the best engine sounds ever in videogames so far IMHO (especially in tunnels :smile
.Bagel seed
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The secret sauce behind it
They're playing chess while everyone else is still on checkers
They're playing chess while everyone else is still on checkers
Necro-thread, but it wasn't worth creating a new one to discuss next-gen audio (everything wanted in this thread may come to pass for XB1X/PS5!).
Just seen this:
With 3D spatial audio, we'll be able to place player's voices within the 3D game space. That's pretty awesome. "Over here!" would provide an audio indicator of where someone was. Well, if close. Over distance, they ought to be using virtual radio to talk. That should definitely add an element of immersion, with the need to talk quietly to not be heard by people's being snuck upon.
Edit: How would this work? Would processing have to be done on the server when mixing multiple voices? Or can we realistically steam a dozen independent voice channels? I guess the quality is very low. Quick Googling, XB1X uses Skype's chat tech which is 24-128 kbps. At 50 kbps per voice, a dozen voices might be doable without impacting the other game data?
Just seen this:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/ga...tworking/concepts-realtime-audio-manipulation
With 3D spatial audio, we'll be able to place player's voices within the 3D game space. That's pretty awesome. "Over here!" would provide an audio indicator of where someone was. Well, if close. Over distance, they ought to be using virtual radio to talk. That should definitely add an element of immersion, with the need to talk quietly to not be heard by people's being snuck upon.
Edit: How would this work? Would processing have to be done on the server when mixing multiple voices? Or can we realistically steam a dozen independent voice channels? I guess the quality is very low. Quick Googling, XB1X uses Skype's chat tech which is 24-128 kbps. At 50 kbps per voice, a dozen voices might be doable without impacting the other game data?
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