Post your NV40 preview predictions

Brian's calling Dave out......FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!!!......


(j/k - really)

 

Obviously Nvidia is going to get some devs to use PS3.0 stuff in the not to distant future and that is Cool. But.. Even Mark Reign is saying that the bulk of really cool Shader stuff is still 18+ months away.

 

What is expected is this is Nvidia's come back card to take the crown back. Now what crown is beyond me. Now will the many more transitors offset the faster and less transitor R420 series, I don't think so. Still the NV40 will kick some butt over ATI a.k.a DoomIII and games that spin from that game engine plus ps3.0 stuff, which FarCry might be able to show.

Overall though I think ATI will deliver a significant blow to Nvidia with their X800 XT card. The NV40 era I predict is when Nvidia actually starts to lose money, ATI just has an overall superior line up. The old Nvidia lines NV3x series repackage for PCI express is utterly inferior to ATI's R420 line up coming out. ATI allowance for failed chips to be used on a lesser product - - That is just plain smart as far as I am concerned.

Nvidia market share I predict will shrink rapidly is the bottom line.

 

Well, I'm just waiting for B3D's, Hardocp's and NordicHardware's previews. Maybe that way I can get a real picture what the card can do as I predict that most of the preview-sites still give us benchmarks from Quake3 run without aa/aniso. And that really isn't the info I'm looking for.

My predictions about the card itself has already been stated in this thread: Fast, hot etc.

 

It does not exceed DX9 specs. In totality, it lacks many DX9 specs that R300 supported. It exceeded the spec in just a few areas with respect to # of instructions supported, and a couple of extra instructions. ATI also exceeds the specs. Their HW is capable than more than what is exposed in DX9, especially if you include F-Buffer, which no real-time game is going to use. (has any game used a shader approaching 96 instructions?)

I don't care what people say on this board. This board is a biased sample on both sides. The market will speak. NV3x was a loud and hot card that *did not deliver features and DX9 performance*, so the heat and noise were not justified. Personally, I will buy the best performing card for the money. I think the majority of the market will buy the mid-range cards, which will be the 12-pipe R420 vs the 12-pipe NV4x, that's where the true comparison of noise and heat will lie. This X800XT vs NV40U contest is just a PR mindshare contest. Vast majority of products sold won't be either of those.

I don't mind buying something hot and loud *IF* I get something for it.

 

And you will get........something hot and loud!

 

Sounds about the time HL2 will finally ship. Team Fortress 2 and Duke Nukem Forever will ship about 3 years after that.

 

Oh, come on...a few sites will , but not the majority. Also realize that many smaller sites do not have staff that are full-time. We do the best we can in the time given.

 

Hey, I just want to say one more time that I think NV40 is an ok product from early information. I only think that Nvidia is focusing on the Wrong things right now thats all. I am not suggesting that people in general should not buy it. All the cards comming out are going to be plently fast for gaming over the next year. ITs going to come down to other factors. Like Design elegance, total pakcage, Actual in game IQ stuff like that. I suppose performance in specific games that people are really looking forward to is a big issue as well. Doom-III people will perhaps want the Nv40 etc...

 

X800Xt is panic response to 6800 Ultra. It will have very high price
and low yield.

 

I guess we can't comment if we already know the answers to all of these...

damn, where's the popcorn smiley.

 

Neither the X800XT and 6800 are "panic" responses, as much as they are (as DC said) PR Marketing tools and mindshare devices.

Both will have very high price and be low yield.

The "real" high end products (the ones with more realistic prices and therefore more producible volume) will be the X800 Pro and the 6800 non-Ultra.

 

And you know this for sure because..?

 

I appreciate you trying to save face and stick up for the NV40, but spare us the BS... Design elegance, total package, and Actual in game IQ has been what purchasing has been about EVER SINCE the NV30 fiasco. But nevertheless, it still hasn't been what nVidia has really focused on

 

I would also say price. I think ATI designs allows for a lower cost overall which means even more manufacturers producing ATI chipped cards. Nvidia much higher power and heat issues must hurt OEM sells in the end.

 

Then, why did they leak information about having 16 pipes and release
dates?
They saw that 6800 spec and realized they need to response even
thought it will cost them yields.

 

ATI could have easily buried the competition if they felt they needed to release what I would call a 'brute force' approach last year. If people feel this current Nv40 is ready for primetime on the market (meaning hot, noisy and power hungry ), then I see no difference with that mentality with the card below. I would wager this card here would outperform some of the next generation stuff, but last year....and why stop at two, lets go 4 VPU's

How far do you want to go.

 

Um, because it's exactly what I said? A PR Battle?

 

If they have a part capable of 16 pipes, do you think they would have never realesed it in that configuration?