Parallel mounting graphics adapters?

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  1. poopypoo

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    Bear with me here... I must be one of the least technical people who posts here. Maybe there is a perfectly good reason nobody's been doing this for so many years. I have a vague recollection of being able to buy a riser for parallel mounting vga cards back in the days of Glide3D... but maybe I'm wrong..?

    To clarify, I think that it's well past time for a parallel mount alternative mATX form factor. Obviously parallel mounting expansion cards (using some sort of L-shaped bracket? to rotate them 90°) limits the form factor considerably, from the placement of the northbridge chip to the usb and audio headers etc, to the fact that I imagine only one card could fit in place at a time.

    I just can't believe that after all these years of so many people having mATX LAN-party boxes with a graphics adaptor as the only add-in card, that we are still mostly unable to build cases the size of xbox360s. Am I wrong? Are there some affordable products that fill this niche? Is there some other factor I'm not consdering? Is the whole thing an idea I really should have brought up a decade ago? I think it is, but I still would find it useful. We're a PC-in-every-room family, and I can't see why we need such clumsy cases, with the only alternatives remaining shockingly expensive.
     
  2. Davros

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    Have you not met Digi :D

    Is this what you want
    http://linitx.com/product/11679
     
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    One reason I can see is that PCIe and PCI cards mounted that way would face down and not face up like ISA cards did. I don't think that's all good ; also this configuration was massively used but for cases where a CRT would sit on top.

    It sucks not to see that option anymore but maybe there is heat concern, if you intend to use a graphics card that's 100 watts or more. (or even for a lesser card)
    Instead, low profile cards fill the niche and you can at least find a low profile radeon 7750 or GTX 650, as well as sound cards and other.

    Just like in the old times with risers you tend to find low profile only on OEM builds, BTW, though a low profile m-ATX case certainly is something you can find if you look for it.
     
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    Blazkowicz, I agree on all points, but it still seems like some moderate enthusiast cards could work. The goal isn't to wedge a Titan into an xbox-sized case, but more like $100-150 cards, which typically play everything but Crysis games well and are excellent as emulators or movie centers as they grow older. These cards aren't going to fit in a low profile case but some of them function fine in warm environments.

    Davros, that looks like just the ticket! I should have known to ask here. Now the big question... anybody know if these work well? Ideally there's not much added latency, so they can work in proper gaming builds when they are new...

    Thanks!
     
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    Pausing for a moment to think... what I am really looking for is a mobo and case to go with this sort of plan >_< I technically have some of the skills needed to make a case and would enjoy it, actually, but probably not enough time. It's great to see that other people are getting this done because it just seems like an "easy" way to make much more convenient and versatile PCs. However it would be nice if we could get some manufacturer support (in terms of products, not necessarily service)! XD
     
  6. Blazkowicz

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    For reference here's how a "bog standard" PC can look like (before they replace the cooling with somewhat expensive Noctua stuff)


    [​IMG]
    http://www.futurelooks.com/taming-m...profile-cpu-cooler-and-nf-r8-80mm-pwm-fans/1/

    It's a 3770K and radeon 5570, but you might as well put a 3220T and radeon 7750 there (only slightly higher TDP than the 5570)

    Found a pic of that case standing up on the side (version with 65 watt PSU there, but it's sold with a 150W PSU too) :
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/Antec_ISK300-65

    Maybe there are other, similar such cases with perhaps more breathing room/cooling for a graphics card. But anyway it looks like a half-decent solution to your requirements (a small PC with a graphics card)
     
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    That's a pretty sweet case for a reasonable price, but I'm afraid it doesn't do it for me. My wife and I still like enthusiast (although moderately priced) systems, and each of these builds STARTS life as a gaming computer. But since we have a seemingly infinite number of uses for PCs around the house, I'm still set on trying to reduce the footprint of these systems without sacrificing so much. I do appreciate the link tho; it is awesome. I guess I'll have to guinea pig up and try one of those ribbon cables... and then @-%-@!!ing cut up a tiny case to try and fashion a stable back port for a sideways mounted (fullsize) card. :p
     
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    Warning, here's some serious porn made with a similar PCIe ribbon, it's a computer made for number-crunching in a univesity with 13 GPUs (six geforce GTX 295 and one GTX 275).
    http://fastra2.ua.ac.be/preview/?page_id=38

    They did make a custom metal cage to hold the GPUs, everything else was gamer hardware.

    As for your project you're probably looking for a Radeon 7790 (2GB), it has crazy high perf per watt.
     
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    Whats this with no output
    [​IMG]
     
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    From their "specs and benchmarks" pages I can see they had a Tesla C1060, this is it.

    It's pretty much a GTX 280, with a lower TDP (187.8 watts) and a lot more memory - 4GB, unheard of back then on a GPU. Steep price too. No outputs because it was only used to ouput data.
     
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    doooope!!

    regarding our pcs, tbh we're still steaming along just fine with crap i forget the exact number i think they're 6870's. perf per watt is terrible on those. i guess i should pass them on and swap in halfheight cards shouldn't i :facepalm:
     
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    Re. absolute perf a 6870 is still quite nice I believe it's same as the Radeon 7790, best half-heights like the 7750 and GTX 650 still are quite lower. Around the radeon 5770/6770 or 4890. Of course you can still consider it's way good enough, way faster than an AMD APU which itself would allow to play quite some games but with more compromise.
     
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    yeah. i have no problem, in theory, with the other pcs only being able to play snes roms and older pc games. but i do have a really hard time pulling the trigger on a $50 low-wattage card when I could spend $120 on a fairly modern card. But when I factor in the idle costs for five+ PCs I guess I should reconsider.
     
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