Official Microsoft Q4/Year-end Financials Thread

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  1. Carl B

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    Important quarterly report coming in just a couple of minutes; this is the place for discussion. Try to keep things console-centric, but some deviation to other business segments will be tolerated, as will any Windows gaming discussion.
     
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    MSFT is up a few dollars this week in anticipation. Let's see if they were right.
     
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    So are they expecting a profit from the entertainment division?
     
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    Unless they managed to lose $611m in Q4, that division will be profitable for the fiscal year.
     
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    Ok the results are in - here's the text segment that deals with the Entertainment and Devices Division, pending a more traditional layout:


    I'm just reading it now myself, so no comments from me until later.

    EDIT: Looks like a $188 million loss for the quarter vs a $1.22 billion quarterly loss last year (the quarter/year of the warranty charge), and a $426 million yearly profit against the loss of $1.96 billion last year.
     
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    hm.... So if we don't count the R&D, they are effectively losing ~$40M for the 360? (But otherwise making money on raw hardware and game sales)
     
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    Forget about it it's june... Damned financial reports...
     
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    As sort of an aside net profit for MS is up quite a bit $4.3 billion, vs $3.04 B a year ago.
     
  9. Carl B

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    I think its a little dangerous to try and carve out the 360 from the rest of it; they reported an R&D increase, and we know that some of that is related to Danger. They also reported a headcount increase. But what those levels were for 360, and what part of the increase is associated with that business, is a little opaque.

    I'd say we just consider it as an asterisk; otherwise then we're setting up the precedent to go and try and take out any non-360 profit drivers from the division in order to reach a more accurate figure, notwithstanding that some of the costs that increased (headcount, R&D) probably did have some basis in 360 to begin with.

    For better or worse, these numbers are an amalgamation of: ...the Xbox 360 platform (which includes the Microsoft Xbox video game console system, Xbox 360 video games, Xbox Live, and Xbox 360 accessories), the Zune digital music and entertainment platform, PC software games, online games and services, Mediaroom (our Internet protocol television software), the Surface computing platform, mobile and embedded device platforms, and other devices...our line of consumer software and hardware products including application software for Macintosh computers and Microsoft PC hardware products...is responsible for all retail sales and marketing for Microsoft Office and the Windows operating systems...we acquired Danger, Inc. ("Danger") a software-as-a-service company that provides mobile operators with an integrated end-to-end solution to deliver mobile data and Internet services to their subscribers...

    We just have to take it as a larger whole, just as we'll never be 100% clear on how the profit/loss pie gets divided between Sony's PS3, PS2, and PSP (and now SOE).
     
  10. Carl B

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    This report is two things: the quarter ended June 30th, and the fiscal year ended June 30th. The numbers are separated out at times depending on which timescale they are referencing.
     
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    Fair enough, Carl. Thanks. :)
     
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    Was that the RROD repair write-off quarter?
     
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    Didn't I say just that in the line you quoted? ;)

    But anyway, yes it was.
     
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    Yes, yes you did :oops:
     
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