Nvidia's 3000 Series RTX GPU [3090s with different memory capacity]
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Jawed
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The extra $50 for 4GB more memory and an extra 4x PCI Express 4.0 lanes seems like a pretty decent deal versus 6500XT!
As I understand it, this is a cut-down GA106. The intention is that GA107 will replace this eventually, which presumably will help supply and power usage.
It seems like this card is going to be around for years. And years. And years.
TechPowerUp has a 4GB version listed:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 4 GB Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database
Is that real?
As I understand it, this is a cut-down GA106. The intention is that GA107 will replace this eventually, which presumably will help supply and power usage.
It seems like this card is going to be around for years. And years. And years.
TechPowerUp has a 4GB version listed:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 4 GB Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database
Is that real?
DegustatoR
Veteran
It's a heavily cut down GA106 part. It is in fact cut down below the specs of GA107 even - which in addition to 128 bit bus and PCIE 8x likely means that at some point there will be similarly specced 3050s based on GA107 which should help with power a bit.
To judge this in terms of the 1660Ti which launched 3 years earlier. For those 3 years you get the same performance, 2GB more memory, RTX features and a $30 discount. I'm not sure those 3 years have worked well for us tbh.
Had this been priced at $150, or even up to say $189 and we were thus comparing more to the 1650 or 1650S, it would have been a whole lot more impressive.
Had this been priced at $150, or even up to say $189 and we were thus comparing more to the 1650 or 1650S, it would have been a whole lot more impressive.
To judge this in terms of today, 1660 Ti is double of its original MSRP.
All complaints about pricing are waste of space.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Yup, that's the main thing I really don't like about the 3050. Ever since the Radeon 4870 gen, I've prioritized perf per watt (with a preference for lower overall wattage at or above a certain performance level and below a certain price threshold) over almost all other metrics. That's the main reason I got the GTX 1070.
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SB
I was comparing MSRP to MSRP. Granted MSRP's are currently meaningless but I would hope we get back to them within this GPU's lifespan.
Jawed
Legend
Too many links to post, so just some quotes from OCUK forum, starting about here:
RTX 3050 - starting at $249 (msrp) | Page 20 | Overclockers UK Forums
Looks like they only got 500 cards, half or less than half of 6500XT.
RTX 3050 - starting at $249 (msrp) | Page 20 | Overclockers UK Forums
Looks like they only got 500 cards, half or less than half of 6500XT.
GA103 promised in rumormill in 2019 is real and it's here as 3080 Ti mobile.
Leaves room for Super-updates on desktop if they so choose.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ga103-graphics-processor-pictured-features-496-mm%c2%b2-die-area
Leaves room for Super-updates on desktop if they so choose.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ga103-graphics-processor-pictured-features-496-mm%c2%b2-die-area
To be fair this may not be a ground breaking card but in the current price climate, if you're able to get one for the £270 region then that's an incredible deal right now. Basic 3060's are still well over £500.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
If OCUK are anything to go by, apparently a lot of buyer's were immediately turning around the reselling them at a markup. Enough that they went on a banning spree as well as cancelling any orders that was obviously going to be for the purposes of reselling the cards.
I doubt other shops are going to attempt to limit sales to scalpers as OCUK claim they are doing.
So it's possible many shops may be sold out due to scalpers immediately buying all stock. And considering they have automated tools to do that, they are at a significant advantage in getting early stock of cards.
I can only hope that actual demand for these cards isn't THAT high and that many of the scalpers will end up losing money on their speculative buying, but unfortunately there are many gamers that are desperate to get a reasonably priced card even if the performance is subpar for the prices they command currently.
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SB
I doubt other shops are going to attempt to limit sales to scalpers as OCUK claim they are doing.
So it's possible many shops may be sold out due to scalpers immediately buying all stock. And considering they have automated tools to do that, they are at a significant advantage in getting early stock of cards.
I can only hope that actual demand for these cards isn't THAT high and that many of the scalpers will end up losing money on their speculative buying, but unfortunately there are many gamers that are desperate to get a reasonably priced card even if the performance is subpar for the prices they command currently.
Regards,
SB
Jawed
Legend
The shop can "over-sell" cards, because the sales process can proceed without an up-to-date count of cards remaining. Hence selling 600 ish cards when only about 500 were available to sell.
Sure, the subsidized pricing for 3050 and 6500 XT is borderline ok-ish under normal conditions and a pretty good deal under current circumstances.
No one doing any low-level tests anymore?
Nope, not for many years now. Last outfit that did those was Hardware.fr.
arandomguy
Regular
There is a potential variability with GPC and therefore ROP count for RTX 3050. In theory if all SMs are disabled off off one GPC and the entire GPC is gone than only 2 GPCs and 32 ROPs. Any other version, including potentially off future GA107 results in 3 GPC/48 ROPs. Unless Nvidia confirms how they will bin I think you'd need to test a very large sample size to know for sure.
GPU-Z reports GA104 RTX 3060's as having 64 ROPs. I don't know if that is actually "accurate" in function however. I've been trying to get a GA104 RTX 3060, but no luck yet.
Can and does Nvidia disable driver side to "limit" the amount of ROPs to force everything equal? I've actually always wondered even before the ROPs were put into the GPCs how much variance there is in SKUs depending on how they are cut down (including for AMD as well) and how they account for that. I'm assuming there is some function provided by the hardware inside each GPC, otherwise why would they not just make a single GPC x however many SMs.
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I haven't come across GA104-3060s, but judging from past experience for example with TU104-based RTX 2060s, you can tell from low level tests which units are on/off. GPCs are (probably amongst other things) the organization structure for Rasterizers and ROPs, so you can measure different throughput between SKUs with identical number of SMs, but differing number of GPCs.
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