Nvidia's 3000 Series RTX GPU [3050, 3060, 3070, 3080, 3090 now with TIs]

See, these people are not actually responsible for the current situation if you agree that miners are the predominant problem.

It may make surface sense to blame everybody, but it makes less sense once you consider the difference in situation and the actual demand it creates and the effect that has on pricing.

Gamers willing to pay these extreme prices are a small minority, as you seem to agree. So it stands to reason this isn't some inexhaustible market that's actually pushing the cap up.

Miners, on the other hand, cannot get enough GPU's. If Nvidia and AMD built enough GPU's to satisfy the entirety of the 'willing to pay $2500 for a 3080' gaming crowd, it wouldn't change anything. Because there is no end to the demand from miners and that is the real problem. Nvidia and AMD cannot make enough GPU's to satisfy them.

So in a situation where mining wasn't a thing, would gamers and supply issues cause higher prices than normal? Yes. But not to nearly the degree we're seeing now. That desperate 'willing to pay $2500 for a 3080' crowd would be such a small number of people overall that it wouldn't actually drive prices up because there's not enough of them. Prices would drop significantly in order to reach a broader 'willing to pay' point. It wouldn't be a great situation, but it would a lot more tolerable than now.

It is only miners that are causing things to be as extreme as they are. It makes no sense to blame a small minority of gamers also buying at these stupid prices.

 

Dude you're the one orienting everything to your goal discarding what you don't like.... Data going one way are not all of the data and information...

 

Puget Systems 3080 Ti Professional Application Reviews
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NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix
June 17, 2021

 

Graphics cards pricing beginning to decline, availability improving as well

This happens just as ETH mining winds down. A coincidence surely, it's just that gamers don't buy GPUs anymore for some reason. /s

 

But, data and maths...

 

eBay Stats on GPU Sales Show Tens of Thousands Sold, Prices Starting to Dip (pcmag.com)

Count of cards sold seems pretty low.

 

Two months ago Vega 56's were selling on eBay for $900. The current price as of today that they are selling for is $650.

 

Mid-2021 GPU Rendering Performance: Arnold, Blender, KeyShot, LuxCoreRender, Octane, Radeon ProRender, Redshift & V-Ray – Techgage
June 25, 2021

 

Ampere heavy compute approach is quite advantageous, the 3070 is ahead of the 2080Ti in a significant way, whether RT acceleration is off or on.

The 3060Ti is even faster than the 6900XT in RT heavy workloads.

 

Our contractor doing product renders uses Blender and he updated this year his workstations from Pascal to Ampere. He told us that it was the biggest performance boost he ever saw in the last 10 years. He also tested RDNA2 during the purchasing process and it was so far behind in performance that even at half the price it was totally uncompetitive.
Ampere kills it in professional workloads. They are absolutely zero argument for RDNA2 this round.
and from what I heard, Lovelace will be another massive performance improvement in heavy FLOPs applications...

 

Ampere was clearly planned to be Samsung. NVidia has been whining about TSMC for, what, a decade now? So NVidia thought it could boss TSMC by switching to Samsung. "We'll show them".

Lots of people have been cheering for Samsung by NVidia; "evil TSMC monopoly, we must have competition, thank you NVidia".

NVidia kept A100 on TSMC because it knew this dedicated data centre GPU is now fighting to keep NVidia relevant in the DL space. NVidia is quite aware that its customers are actively seeking better, more cost-effective compute. A100 is NVidia's top priority, which is why NVidia bit its lip and went with TSMC. Far too risky to make A100 at Samsung.

The trend in power consumption is there, "cos Moore's law is dead".

NVidia's plan B was pricing and extreme power consumption because AMD aimed at 3070Ti and hit 3090.

 

Inspur Releases Liquid Cooled AI Server With NVIDIA A100 GPUs at ISC High Performance Digital 2021 (yahoo.com)

"High-efficiency liquid-cooling is among the major reasons that NF5488LA5 ranks No.1 in 11 of the 16 tests in the closed data center division of the 2021 MLPerf™ Inference V1.0 Benchmark. It is also the only GPU server submitted that ran the NVIDIA A100 GPU at 500W TDP via liquid cooling technology."

 

Okay, so it's 250-500W with the latter being LC. I'm sure you can push it to 1000W under LN. Does it make A100 "a 1000W product"?

 

Liquid cooling is pretty normal in data centre applications.

PowerPoint Presentation (hpcuserforum.com)

Quoted simply because you joined the one-liner gang. Shame.

 

That is a customer solution like AIBs cards. nVidia lists the 80GB A100 SMX version with 400W: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/a100/

 

See above. That's at least two products that are running SXM4 at 500W.

 

It's right there in the link, the "only" solution that ran 500w. The official SKU from NVIDIA is 400w on air.

 

They are providing the 400W, too.

 

And so now there's a 500W liquid cooled edition - from at least two companies.

I'm sure NVidia would prefer to have the performance of the 500W version at 400W. Yet, somehow I doubt NVidia is unhappy about the liquid-cooled products. Who does the binning for those, NVidia or the vendor?

Does the 500W version need new firmware? Or is the built-in boost capability of the processor enough to let it freewheel up to 500W?