Nvidia G71 - rumours, questions and whatnot

I think I remember read somewhere (probably AT) that ATi expected to cut the price by March time-frame and also stated estimated price-cut since then. Thus, I don't really think ATi cut the price to match NV, but I believe that NV is under pressure to cut its new line price to match the ATi expected price cut.

 

the g71 will probably be around 15-18% faster then the 7800 gtx 512, that will put it faster in almost all games at 1600x1200 with x4 aa and x16 af. And I mean all games. FEAR and SCCT (20-30% advantage depending on the reviewer) will be a marginal win for ATi. I think Oblivion will have a slight advantage on nV cards around 5% don't expect more then that. Every other advanced game the x1900xtx is only around 5% faster then the 7800 gtx 512

 

nV's stock isn't really over valued, they have been doubling profit's for the last 3 quarters. This is why its features are up, and stock price to match. Right not its projected market value is 52, and its right around there

 

And the faster card will be the Dual GPU 7900.
How about that?
Having the faster card is all about bragging rights and undoubtly it is important to have the fastest because it improves mainstream and low end sales. On the other hand it is also important to have a cost effective lineup. Nvidia is in a good position to have both. If yields are ok they will have a cost advantage. Regarding the fastest product i think SLI and dual GPU cards will take care of that. The market doesn't care how the high end crown is achieved. For marketing reasons it only matters if it is achieved or not.

 

Summed up, about the same.

 

Well, it's about time!

196mm2, says the chart below? Whee. That's smaller than R300!

 

At the very highest level, sure, but they don't make all there sales there. Only a fraction will be the very top end card. Without a doubt, ATI will make a lot less profit per part than NVidia at equal price points.

The 7600GT, for example, will be much faster than a X1600XT. Moreover, it's actually smaller.

This is a horrible analogy:
1. Consoles have a much longer lifespan than a video card.
2. Microsoft lost billions on the XBox, and over time PS2's price cuts meant XBox had to make price cuts.
3. Console manufacturers get royalties on games sold so size of the userbase is more important than profit on hardware sales. Not true with ATI.

You know what this means? ATI is making less profit!

NVidia's cards will drop in price very easily, as their chip is much smaller.

When NVidia matches performance with ATI, they need much less silicon to do so. Hence they can either match ATI in price and make more profit, or undercut ATI in price for the same performance. If you look at the X1600, I think the 7600 will have lower cost and higher performance once the initial price gouging is gone.

The ALU has nothing to do with dynamic branching. That is the job of the dispatcher, which essentially remained unchanged from R520. The small batch size, which is what makes ATI fast at dynamic branching, is what made the shader architecture much more complicated and larger in R5xx.

 

Well for one, the counting of transistors is academic. What matters is how many die fit on a 90nm wafer regardless of how Nvidia or ATi choose to count transistors. By the time the (alleged) difference in size becomes irrelevant G71 and R580 will be history.

I'm thinking Nvidia knew what they were talking about with their 45% margins goal.

 

Well that's a given since they're business people after all...

Why are you guys answering the posts from a bot?

 

When I did the math on this upstream, I believe I came out at 225mm2. That was using 50% increase in density, which some people thot was too aggressive. If they are, as that slide claims, at 196mm2. . .some other mojo might be in play as well.

 

Ok, how about this... taken from the official Elder Scrolls forum where they have this nice official FAQ list about computerhardware:

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=250534

Since G71 will be released before Oblivion, I have no doubt that the X1900XTX (the prefered graphicscard for Oblivion devs) will be faster than G71.

 

As for FEAR -- latest FW build brought a nice speed-up there so i'm not sure that R580 will be faster than G71 in FEAR anymore... I'm not even sure that R580 is still faster than G70-550 with these drivers...

And there's a question of quality as always. Such big jumps look somewhat suspicious.

 

Got a link? This guy didnt seem to get anything extra - http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=827503&postcount=36

 

Latest FW also have significant jump in dynamic branching performance too.

 

Links for god's sake!!!

 

Well that's gonna look a bit different after NVDA splits on April 7.

 

No, because this set isn't leaked yet Look for build 84.17+. We have 20-30% more preformance in FEAR with this set in AA+AF modes.

 

ah you let the cat out of the bag yes they did quite a few interesting things in the next few drivers

 

read up one and two posts , also yeah an x1900xtx will beat a regular 7800 gtx SLi setup, because the sli setup won't have the bandwidth, to compete with it at high aa and af.

 

I would be wary of any fundamental improvements like that. They've had way too much time with the hardware to still be wringing performance from it in any significant way. A specific application like FEAR I can understand but dynamic branching in general - color me suspicious!