Nvidia G71 - rumours, questions and whatnot

Discussion in 'Pre-release GPU Speculation' started by ToxicTaZ, Dec 4, 2005.

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  1. Arty

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    Why? It makes perfect sense.

    Nvidia launched G70 with conservative clock speeds and had it widely available. 512MB GTX as we all know was just a glory SKU.
     
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    Depends if you want to compare performance or availability.
     
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    It's not nonsense. You're comparing a widely available product to a ridiculously limited pushed to the extreme product. ATI could just as well slap on a giant cooler, overvolt and bring out an X1900 at 750 with 1800 MHz memory with very limited availability and a giant price tag as well. That would then be a more fair comparison. The G71 will have to have good availability with performance better than the low yield GTX 512 to compete with the XTX.
     
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    Rare benchmark winners are a breed of GPUs that need to die and that goes for both IHVs. Can someone convince me that ATI is "innocent" in that department for the recent past?
     
  5. ANova

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    Nope, but then nvidia drags them down to their level. :)
     
  6. Pete

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    Eh. The first para has Fuad saying G71 needs 700Mhz to compete with R580XTX. The last has him saying a 700MHz G71 will beat R580XTX.

    He's actually making it easier for us, covering all his bases in one article rather than many. ;)
     
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    I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
     
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    You and serenity misunderstood me.

    There will still be a 700/750 MHz uber version to compete at the high end, and NVidia will charge $500 or $600 for it. I don't think it'll beat ATI across the board, but it'll probably be close enough that no-one will say ATI has an outright lead. For example, imagine that generally speaking G71 wins without AA and R580 wins with AA. NVidia won't really lose too much face here, IMO. The X850XT didn't seem to hurt the 6800 sales even though it had higher benchmarks scores overall.

    However, there will be a lower clocked G71 for $400 and a 20-pipe version for $300, the latter performing near today's 256MB GTX. I seriously doubt ATI could do anything here, even with RV560. This will be NV's cash cow until G80 comes. I'm pretty sure the $250-$400 market is the sweet spot for profits with a great balance between margin and volume.

    All IMO, of course. :)
     
  9. RobertR1

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    Ofcourse it'll be faster. It HAS to be. The 7800GTX 512 is quite a good card and now nvidia has the task of not only creating a card that is much faster but also widely availabe, while out doing Ati's flagship card. Unfortunately, US is the core market for nvidia and here the card is still very rare and demanding a $750+ price tag.

    If the 7800GTX superduper edition card turns out be a 7800GTX 512 style price/availability post launch scenario, then shame on them for breaking the trend they started with the 7800GTX256. For a consumer such as myself, I'm hoping for a widely available card with very good performance and price.
     
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    I don't think the situation then and now is comparable. When G70 was launched nVidia had no real competition because the R520 was late. A situation that they were probably aware of. Without competition from R520 they could maximize yields and profits. Now ATI has a very competitive card. In order to hit ATI where is hurts (== money) they will have to ensure the fastest available G71 will beat the x1900xtx by at least 15% (average), even if that means profits will be lower. You guys have to remember that nVidia made good profits over the last months unlike ATI. So nVidia sits on a pile of cash and can afford lower per-unit profits.

    Apart from that, you may re-read what RobertR1 wrote. He's mixing two different topics. The first topic is whether the X1900xt/x should be compared to the 7800 GTX 256 or the 7800 GTX 512. This has been discussed many times before. Let me just say that nobody in his right mind would buy a 7800 GTX 512 right now if he can have a X1900XTX for less money with equal or better performance. But this topic has absolutely nothing to do with the upcoming G71. The second topic is what performance envelope the G71 needs in order to beat the X1900XTX. For this topic the performance of the 7800 GTX 512 is very relevant since G71 (or say the 7900 GTX) will have better performance and good availability thanks to the 90 nm process.
    Mixing these two topics is nonsense.
     
  11. neliz

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    In Order to hurt the competitor, you have to have a $5 chip that you sell by the millions, not 10.000 G71's on which you make 50 dollars a piece
     
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    True, but being King of the Hill helps selling mid-range and low-end cards, too.
    Does anybody know how much high/mid/low cards with ATI and nVidia have been sold last year (approx.)?
     
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    I still cannot believe nvidia will have 8 quads and 700Mhz. Just seems too optimistic.

    I'm not even convinced that it matters whether it beats X1900 or not now, you can hardly say the r520 or G70 are struggling with current games and therefore the X1900 / G71 being faster may no longer be really that important ( apart from the number junkies of course ).

    I think I'd rather have 6 quads and GTX 550Mhz speed for 7800GT price to be honest at the moment. Actually I cannot see the point at all of paying for either r580 or G71 when SM4 and DXwhateverWGFblah is coming out and Crysis is on the horizon. Surely the G80 and R6xx will have more value in them over time ?

    Mind you I have never bought full top end, I got a GF 4400ti for instance, also a 6800 12 pipe card rather than the GT or Ultra. I'm probably just a tight fisted git :)
     
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    Depends if you were raised with TOYS or not ;)
     
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    You clearly haven't tried games like FEAR or CoD2.
     
  17. trinibwoy

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    I don't quite get this. If R580 can do 650, why exactly can't a 8 quad G71 do 700? Granted each of G70's quads is bigger than R580's but it doesn't have the memory controller or scheduler logic to deal with. So even with 8 quads I would think it would come out smaller than R580 no?
     
  18. HaLDoL

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    What level do you prefer? 7 hard launches in a row (6800go, 7800GTX, 7800GT, 7800 go, 7800GTX 512, 6800GS, 7800GS) or some partially succesfull launches (R520, R580)?
     
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    Ummmm, R580 wasn't partial in the least - it was a blitz!
     
  20. neliz

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    512GTX wasn't a hardlaunch either.. more of a premature ejaculation..
    Oh honey, look it's so.. *POP*..
     
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