Nvidia DLSS antialiasing discussion *spawn*

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    This is kind of crazy good if it really works

     
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    KeokeN on NVIDIA DLSS Advantages over TAA; Console Port of Deliver Us The Moon - Fortuna

    https://wccftech.com/keoken-nvidia-dlss-advantages-over-taa/
     
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    So conservatively speaking here, the number to reach with RTX ON, is to get the game running very well at 1440p.
    Very good, there will be a paradigm shift in thinking once we see a title have both RTX and DLSS running together and pushing an RTX title to 4K.
     
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    From what I understand you need to built it into the pipeline like other reconstruction techniques.
     
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    http://benchmark.finalfantasyxv.com/na/

    Edit: You have to go into "Custom" to enable DLSS, and that automatically disables regular AA.

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    I got a score of 4972 ("Fairly High") with those settings on my RTX 2080, using the "Curve" oveclock, plus 700 MHz on the memory. The benchmark crashed a few times before that, maybe because of the more aggressive overclock I use in every other game, or maybe because of Afterburner's overlay. So I disabled the overlay, and went back to the original overclock nVidia allows you to discover (Its curve) using its utility.
    i7 6700, non-k.

    Demo looks nice enough, though it seemed pretty casual. The antialiasing was top notch, though I noticed a brief amount around the rear window of the car in the very beginning of the video. I've seen worse in my games at 4K, and with other other forms of AA on top of that, so good job here, imo. I was frequently hovering below 50 fps but the motion looked very smooth. Though there was some hitching, very briefly, here and there.

    I installed the game to a SSD (480 GB Mushkin Striker) that isn't the one my OS is on, fwiw. Even so, I think there was a bit of pop-in, here and there, though it wasn't distracting.

    We can debate the budgeting of transistors towards use as tensor cores, but seeing as they're there, I judge the use of them as a positive, and not a negative, or "a push"/being of no benefit.

    I guess I should compare by looking at the game using TAA and 3200 x 1800, but I'm already pleased by the lack of aliasing that I've seen.

    Edit: I got a score of 6178 at 2560 x 1440 using TAA, 3200 x 1800 wasn't available, though I do have that custom resolution enabled, and I even tested it just now in Windows. I ran the demo twice with Afterburner's Rivatuner overlay enabled and it didn't crash, so maybe it was my overclock, or DLSS still having a bug or two, that caused it previously. The pop-in was mostly shadows, what there was of it, btw.

    Hard to compare the IQ when 2560 x 1440 gives a better framerate, but I'm guessing that even against 3200 x 1800 using TAA, DLSS will get the win. It's sharp, and has good clarity and saturation.

    I just noticed the "Assets" setting. I didn't click that on while setting everything else to the highest setting.

    OK, so I tested again with that on, and got 6106 at 2560 x 1440, and TAA.
     
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    Battlefield V and Anthem to officially receive DLSS support, more DXR optimizations are coming for BFV too.

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-anthem-battlefield-v-bundle/
     
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    Atomic Hearts will implement DLSS along side RT, DLSS requires the generation of motion vector in the game engine and some buffers as well.

    https://wccftech.com/atomic-heart-qa-nvidia-rtx-dlss-pvp/
     
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    DLSS now been added to Port Royal with performance improvement.
    February 4, 2019
     
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    And is largely irrelevant for games. It's the best-case scenario for the technology. Especially in the canned benchmark, how is it useful to anyone? Benchmarking DLSS performance differences between RTX models?

    Edit: Don't really mean to come across so negative. I'm not against the tech and in some cases like this it's an improvement both in visual quality and performance. There's just not enough useful working examples to really call it a great feature.
     
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    Only thing this really shows is how bad Port Royal's TAA-solution is, I mean did even quincunx blur that much?
    I just thought they decided to go for blurrier look for some artistic reason but apparently not
     
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    Yeah their TAA is quite bad but I'm not sure anything could be as terrible as Quincunx lol. TAA is just bad anyway, it's never an option I choose to go with unless it's the only other option than noAA or FXAA. Unfortunately more and more titles nowadays are implementing very limited AA solutions and going with post-AA only.

    I said when DLSS was announced that TAA isn't exactly a good starting point to base it on but if it works out well then it's certainly better than just TAA option.

    Are we really that removed from multi-sampling solutions worked into the engine rendering pipeline and having great options like TXAA? Has the general move to only certain engines en masse meant we're no longer going to have such things on PC?
     
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    Are people grouping reconstruction techniques under TAA these days, or are other reconstruction methods just not being considered in these DLAA comparisons?
     
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    Personally I think the latter.

    Have we had any good upsampling temporal reconstruction AA implementations on the PC yet? PC games don't usually render at a lower resolution and upsample. Maybe Forza Horizons?
     
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    I don't know how good or bad it qualifies but Quantum Break defaults to upsampling temporal reconstruction on PC too
     
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    Neither Quantum Break nor Rainbow Six comes close to DLSS in Final Fantasy.
     
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    Possibly not, but I wouldn't call effect breaking (DoF) DLSS implementation that great either
     
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