Nvidia "Community Outreach"

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  1. Ailuros

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    I spend more time testing stuff and I spend more money on soft- and hardware than I did before. It's a hobby not a job.
     
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    Why try to get people to stop hiding whilst at the same time try to hide people ?

    Can you see that hypercritical standpoint to us none knowing onlookers ?
     
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    I think I know what you're trying to say. Probably was someone who was either approached by AEG or even participated in the program. Even though, when people are accused of unethical behaviour and dishonesty, you could at least expect some honesty from the one who started the whole thing.
    Actually I think this affair could have been resolved in better way. Geo, for instance, could have PMed Calnoth or ChrisRay before making a post that he knew would start a witch hunt. If he asked them personally I guess they would have told him what the program is about, so he could have posted more accurate information and less guesses. That would have resulted in a more objective discussion and less (mostly false) accusations. Well, unless the point of the post was to generate bad PR for nVidia, which is something we cannot rule out unless we know the source.
     
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    It's more a " who is the real messenger?" thread and why.
     
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    *ahem*

    http://www.pvrgenerations.co.uk/cgi...ticles/2005/pvrsgx/pvrsgx&printer=0&pagenum=1
     
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    Oooooh conspiracy theories abound!!! I'd just love it if ATi initially leaked this information and used its agents to spread the word...espionage extraordinaire! :lol:
     
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    Because it was an unsatisfactory answer to me, that's all.

    This whole thread seems to be about having things more open on tech forums as far as I can see. But now you seem to be talking about confidentiality ?

    Lets just say I'd like a level playing field.
     
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    Go talk to any marketing director at a major corporation. They'd give their right arm to control the Word of Mouth.

    You're now being coursed into believing that a marketing firm is not actually a marketing firm but a beta feedback correlating firm.
     
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    Exceptions don't make rules, but they sadly can break them. However when you're called for a specific task and you agree to it you concentrate on that and that alone. And no I don't particularly care what or how exactly others do.
     
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    Sounds like me all over, we've probably got a relation somehwere in New Zealand.

    Damn it, I've started to span the thread ..must go to bed...
     
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    Yet again he is the first person many thought of when the origional stories surfaced. Very few at anandtech were surprised. Anandtech is a different less knowledgeable crowd that enjoy the odd flamewar. He was a very astute choice for that environment.
     
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    Are you aware of the entire membership within the program? Hard to believe only 4 people are in it.

    If so, without naming names ofcourse, how many "rollo's" would you say there are?

    Chris only hinted in his post the he did not agree with some of the things AEG did and other members conduct. He was talking about the "rollo's"involved. I'm very confident this was a mutli aspect program with individuals selected for their various skill set: beta testing, community barometer and seeding.
     
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    Yes, the Anandtech crowd is quite uncivilized, lol. But he was the last person on my mind simply because he would make for a very poor "secret agent". He has always talked about his friend with "links" in Nvidia so his acceptance into AEG must have been pretty recent.

    I think it's quite unfortunate that he's involved as it associates his deplorable behavior with the other respected members who have outed themselves.

    To go on record, I would take this opportunity in a heartbeat if approached by AEG. New hardware and drivers before everybody else? I'd love it! Guys, do you give recommendations? :D
     
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    There's certainly a whole issue with that. Just because certain AEG focus group members conduct themselves in a certain manner it doesn't mean that they are the norm. I wouldn't be surprised to find that different types are selected for different forum environments with a whole different set of expectations for their behaviour.

    What I would like to know is how are members evaluated within AEG and do they reward performance, I don't expect we'll ever hear an honest answer to that.
     
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    I've asked this question a few pages ago in this thread. Unfortunately the timing was pretty bad and noone seemed to notice... :D
    JoshMST gave an interesting example of the issues that latter question brings up.
     
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    Nope that crowd loves the guy with inside info. High status. He played it very nicely and will likely be mega posting in that forum for years to come. His deplorable behaviour does not reflect on other members, but does reflect on the intentions of the program.
     
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    That's exactly the point I've been trying to make the whole time. While there are certainly beta and feedback aspects of the program, there is clearly another aspect "the rollo aspect) and THAT is causing the community outrage that you see.

    Everyone here quickly jumps the gun and starts defending chris and auliros when I'm bringing up something completely different.
     
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    Just the one and I think he is an abberition with the program, I just can't see anyone wanting him in it.

    That's why I have an easy time with the "Rollo's got a friend at nVidia that got him in" story I heard. Rollo used to always brag about having a friend at nVidia, and that's the only way I could see them tapping him for this.

    Look at the other three they chose; calm, rational, well respected...are those words you'd use to describe Rollo?
     
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    Not thrilled with "expect some honesty" as that implies I've been dishonest, which isn't true, or equates dishonesty with refusing to answer certain questions, which I think is rather contentious as well. But whatever.

    I didn't have any proof on Chalnoth and CR, but did have reason to believe if they were in the program that they'd be under a legal obligation to deny it --why would I want to put them in a position where they'd feel obligated to lie? This has been a major consideration every time I tried to step on throwing names of suspects into public before these people came forward on their own.

    But, if you'd like me to apply the same exact public standard, fine --I hereby call on my original correspondent to step forward into the light to dispel these rumors and innuendos. Actually, that may be more than I did re Chal, Chris, and Ail --I don't recall advocating they out themselves in public, as I was under the impression it would put them in legal jeopardy. Maybe I'm just not remembering, but I don't think so. What I've been asking for is NV/AEG to loosen up the understanding of the NDA. And then at that point, yeah, I would have expected some people to come foward on their own, but not before.

    I can hear the next complaint already --"Well, you know s/he won't, you're just being x, y, z!" Maybe s/he won't, I don't know --but then I heard that argument plenty of times in the course of this thread already re the AEG members and yet it seems to have happened.

    But at the end of the day, I'm still stuck with the agreements I made, like them or not. I understand that some NV fans would love to trace this back to ATI, through however many loops or strained/fancified relations it takes to do so, but that's just not my best understanding and belief of what happened here.
     
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    And if he'll "be mega posting in that forum for years to come" that reflects a lot on that particular forum...and not exactly in a good way. :???:
     
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