Nokia's Present & Future

Discussion in 'Mobile Industry' started by Arun, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. french toast

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    -By bandwidth i meant Dual channel memory.
    -I don't think microsoft wants big Storage in WP7..it wants you to use the cloud and grab your data!:razz:
    -Despite Eflops protestations to the contrary...single core Wp7 phones Dont offer exceptional batterylife..compared to any phone.
    -For some strange reason all WP7 handsets have not been thin..and by thin i mean < 9mm.
    -Im not sure but don't think HDMI/DLNA is supported.

    Yea REALLY looking forward to a wp8 Nokia...however that trojan horse elop is doing his level best to put even Nokia loyalty like me off..i mean after the burning ships memo fiasco you would think he would keep his opinions to himself...''Multi cores burn/waste your battery'':mad:

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    Multi-core CPUs that are mismanaged waste battery life, but I'd rather he not make statements like that at all. Watching a few interviews that he's had, I get the sense that he knows better.
     
  3. french toast

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    Just a quick one, Nokia Lumia 900 has topped the Amazon sales charts all week, holding 1st and 2nd spot most of that time untill one colour ran out!

    Good news then:smile:

    ifixit got there mucky paws on one and did there strip routine:razz:
    Lumia900 BOM- $217 all in.
    SGS2 Skyrocket-$237 all in.
    Apple Iphone 4s-$188 all in (16gb)

    http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Nokia-900-Carries-Bill-of-Materials-of-$209.aspx

    Also reveals that RRP price (america at least) is quite low, which as i predicted would allow the phone to sell well if pushed..Nokiais finally getting the feature set/price point sorted.
     
  4. wco81

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    Not sure Amazon is that big of an outlet for smart phones.
     
  5. hoho

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    There may be few of those users but their amount is still several times bigger than entire market share of WP today :)

    Also, these are generally the people that are looking for a new phone and think WP might be an option. Most of them still go with android after they find out how limiting WP really is.
     
  6. Gubbi

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    Seems weird.

    They estimate $58 for display+touch screen for the Lumia vs $37 for the 4s. Is AMOLED really that expensive ?

    They also state $38 for "wireless" section for the Lumia vs $23.50 for the 4s. That's a $15 premium for 4G lte, which seems excessive IMO considering DC-HSPA+ can reach 4G speeds.

    Cheers
     
  7. Pressure

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    No no, in Europe 4G is 4G and not 3G.

    And yes, AMOLED is much more expensive and none can match the prices Apple gets because of the quantity they buy.
     
  8. Florin

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    Android is sort of free, yes, although most phone manufacturers pay a license fee for the Google app suite.

    Of course, WP7 does one better than free. Microsoft has to actually pay manufacturers to consider using it.

    I'd like to see evidence for your statement that best selling Android phones are 'cheap', and do not get at least one or two upgrades, let alone a jump across major OS revisions.
     
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    MS may be making more money from the license fees it has extracted from several Android manufacturers than from WP7.
     
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    would like to point out that windows phone launched in the USA october of 2010. So it wouldn't have been 1.5 years in all key markets.


    Oct 21 2010 Europe / Australia
    Nov 8 2010 USA

    So by the end of 2011 it had been out barely a year.
     
  11. eastmen

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    Mabye , but that may not allways be the case.


    Also andriod will be facing some major hurdles as they have just lost against apple
     
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    I would assume that the value adds and bug fixes that manufacturers create are not made for free. Certainly all of the OS-level mucking that goes on in Android phones to skin them becomes $0 when an OEM buys a license for Windows Phone. And remember, each carrier wants custom phones for their customers, so it's not a one OS for them all kind of approach.
     
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    Samsung is the only serious manufacturer of AMOLED displays so if you want one, you have to go to them.
     
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    Both of those (well Dual core at least) are rumored for the WP7 Apollo update. So there's a chance we'll see them in WP7 before WP8 launches.

    However, MS is focusing on lower performance (and hence cheaper) SOCs first in order to target the low end smartphone market/feature phone market. I'm going to guess that this is likely at the request of Nokia as they still move quite a bit of phones in the cheaper price brackets.

    That will also allow it to compete better against Android in emerging markets as Android has quite a few cheap almost disposable smartphones.

    Regards,
    SB
     
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    ... and going with WP would mean they are not allowed to do any UI customization and even HW specs are pretty much frozen.
     
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    FYI: Apollo = Windows Phone 8. There's no such thing as WP7 Apollo.
     
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    Well I think we all agree that Nokia should have gone with andriod instead of Windows phone. I mean after all HTC is fast becoming the biggest cell phone company in the world ...... Wait what.... they posted losses again ? Wait they are removing the CEO ?


    It seems very hard to compete with apple who sells tens of millions of the same phone every year or samsung who make almost everything inside of the phones. Nokia would have not even been a blip on the andriod side with all the competition
     
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    Of course Nokia shouldn't have gone with either Android or WP7.

    Right now, it's crystal clear that their best possible path would be to keep their rising plan of a Symbian->MeeGo transition. Not losing all their 3rd party developers through Qt, most of their loyal customers, and pumping out hundreds of thousands of smartphones weekly through their own factories for a low price would have been the most obvious choice.

    Many can regurgitate the american tech-news' flawed theories all they want, about Symbian already being in the toilet when the transition was announced. Up until February 11th, Symbian was still the most sold mobile O.S. by a fair margin, and the number of sales was rising.
    They were losing marketshare to Android obviously as did every other mobile O.S. to Google's explosion, but it doesn't mean it was already going through a slow death, not with MeeGo in the horizon at least.
    Sales were rising with Symbian^3. Profits were rising with Symbian^3. MeeGo was coming.


    Even if all MeeGo handsets were terribly delayed as some might say, they would have loads of high-end/high-margins handsets with U8500 and Medfields to sell, by now. Plus, they wouldn't have to put their latest and best camera tech into a dead-on-arrival Symbian model either.

    Right now, I think the only hope for Nokia is to get lots of Windows RT handhelds out in the market before they spend all those ~$7 billion of cash on losses and resort to selling even more assets.
    I think if the time comes when they have to sell Navteq to in order to keep functioning will be the point of no return from a complete sell-out (to Microsoft, of course).


    Regarding the reactions from the European carriers:
    What was that about everything being ok in the long run because Microsoft has their back?
    Maybe the Nokia+Intel Qt/MeeGo alliance was as much of a threat to Microsoft as Apple or Google ever were... as it was certainly Microsoft's first demand in this transition.
     
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    If you think about it, iPhone and Android sales took off within 2 years of their first models being released.

    So WP7 is running out of time. If it hasn't made an impression on enough consumers, it's unlikely to reach critical mass.

    Droid had a big advertising campaign as well as promotions in the US, specifically a lot of BOGO deals months after they launched. Apple went to the contract model on the second iPhone, dropping from $600 then $400 then $200 upfront.

    If MS/Nokia are already saying wait until WP8, doesn't that kill whatever momentum that WP7 has now?
     
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