Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

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  1. mrcorbo

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    It's 56 CUs with 52 active, 4 disabled for yields.
     
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    Anyone willing and able to drum up a realistic BOM? Assume the anciallary costs of the other consoles like PS4 and XB1, just cost up the SoC, RAM, SSD, anything else that's deviant from what you'd expect from a standard console BOM.
     
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    A lot of people believe xsx is 380mm2 or even 400mm2 and they think the number from Aquariuszi in Taiwan is fake.

    Now the official number is 360.45 mm2, and Aquariuszi again proves his credibility.

    He said 350 mm2 for xsx and PS5 is 300mm2.
     
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    The article says 56 GB/s.. I did find it weird. It's a typo then?
     
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    Refresh the page, it was already fixed.
     
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    Also thought this.
     
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    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs
    I wonder what this means for performance.
    Like what kind of performance can we expect compared to the current Nvidia solution? Is 4k60fps at all possible? or is it still a dream.
     
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    Rhen why the DF article claims you would need 13 zen cores to match xsx? ;)
     
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    Because they will probably make a new Direct Storage line of SSD with SSD controller with hardware decompression hardware. MS is the only one able to set a standard. It will be accessible using DirectStorage API on Xbox Series X, S and PC.
     
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    https://community.amd.com/community...rcharge-console-gaming-with-the-xbox-series-x

     
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    I think that was only on Unpatched titles because of the size of the data structures they exposed. Meanwhile with the current Xbox SDKs they can probably map the entire full stack of Series X hardware into those structures.

    I'm thinking the OneX SDK update was like how Sony expanded the possible values of ShaderEngine when they updated sdk for 4Pro.
     
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    Yeah makes sense, they have a stake in it afterall.
    Will be intresting to see sonys solution, will ps5 users also be able to expand storage?
     
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    * APU = $149
    * 16GB GDDR6 = $80-$90
    * 1TB NVME SSD = $55
    * Motherboard = $35
    * 250w PSU = $20
    * Case = $20
    * Misc = $110

    BOM = $474-$484
    Retail = $499 or $399 w/ $75-$85 BoM loss.
     
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    I think it will be the same.
     
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    No. We've never seen one yet, doubt it's possible this time around. :wink:
     
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    Humm.. proprietary storage for expansion. Let's hope the price-per-GB is at least not very far from street prices on competing M.2 drives of similar speeds.


    Kleegamefan so far seems vindicated on CPU frequency, storage speed and others.
    Tommy Fisher (who had been discredited due to posting a fake picture of the DS5) had claimed 52 CUs at 1.82GHz.

    https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...r-see-staff-post.159131/page-31#post-27421178

    I had completely set this guy aside, but narrowing the CU count and frequency down to tens of megahertz should make him at the very least a very lucky fake insider.
     
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    As I have posted on here n+1 times already, a 4x PCI-E interface is simply too good and cheap solution to dismiss, and next-gen consoles desperately need expandable storage. I would be genuinely shocked if PS5 did not have some kind of a hole you can plug some kind of PCI-E expandable storage.
     
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    I bet they'll have a proprietary solution just like MS and will use it to make back money offset by the loss on the console itself.
     
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    Really cool with those small expension cards. Wonder what the price of those will be, and what pc users have to set back for those direct storage ssd drives. Even those with nvme drives will have to upgrade.
     
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    I'm not sure this is the best approach. To my mind you want to encourage the consumer to invest in as much storage as possible to prevent available storage from being an impediment to more content purchases. I think they price these as close to cost as possible.
     
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