I like that video. In my opinion, launch games for both consoles look hell of a lot better than they did when the 360/PS3 were launching. I really don't have a lot of worries about what either system will be capable off.
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I like that video. In my opinion, launch games for both consoles look hell of a lot better than they did when the 360/PS3 were launching. I really don't have a lot of worries about what either system will be capable off.
I hope the above isn't used as evidence of anything one way or the other :smile: I don't think anyone is arguing that a bunch of functioning XB1s can't be made.
That one is easy at least. Switzerland, as a fer instance, has German, French and Italian as official languages but Switzerland isn't on the list. Now one could argue that the variations on the languages are enough to merit waiting months to localize it but that is what is being said when it comes "cross reference" and of course English is unofficial in many places in Europe with all kinds of accents.
In Switzerland the most common language spoken is Swiss German, which is different enough that Swiss TV shows or movies are often dubbed or subtitled when shown in Germany. English is used in many other counties, but we aren't talking about written English. Pronunciation matters when it comes to Kinect. Voice recognition is a complex endeavor that doesn't readily accommodate a one size fits all model.
Voice recognition is no where near as robust as the human brain. But even humans lean on contextual clues at times to decipher their native language spoken outside of their dialect. A voice recognition product that only supports the standard/common version of a language isn't going to a properly serve a population of consumers who don't speak the standard/common version of the language.
Hence the need for localization and why it is not BS.
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Michellstar
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Could it be the rumoured FIFA deal??
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...or-third-party-game-comes-free-with-xbox-one/
"CVG Sources: Microsoft to reveal 'major game' comes free with Xbox One"
Fifa 14 for Free?
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...or-third-party-game-comes-free-with-xbox-one/
"CVG Sources: Microsoft to reveal 'major game' comes free with Xbox One"
Fifa 14 for Free?
Could it be the rumoured FIFA deal??
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...or-third-party-game-comes-free-with-xbox-one/
"CVG Sources: Microsoft to reveal 'major game' comes free with Xbox One"
Fifa 14 for Free?
Might be a reason why Brazil is supported at initial launch. World Cup 2014.
Yup sure. I guess however they don't take accents into account here in America
Not enough accented speakers to merit worrying about.Bad timing for a FIFA/XB1 exclusive deal. Those countries might not mean much to MS right now but they mean a bit more for EA
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True. FIFA announcement and no support in much of Europe would be something of a slap in the face to those nations, I'm guessing (don't truly know the value of FIFA to the 2nd tier nations, nor the rest). That said, in terms of marketing the box to the most important nations which are those covered, FIFA could be an important 'acquisition'. A friend has signed up to Fantasy Football League for the Premiership - it might be a feature MS could capitalise on.
Yup sure. I guess however they don't take accents into account here in America
Who says they don't? Maybe the reason so many english countries are supported at launch, is because english has received the most investment and supports more dialects than any other language. Thats pretty much a given especially for a company who is head quartered in the US. Finding enough people from different regions of the US to train the voice recognition isn't that hard.
Schools teach you the "common/standard version of the language" so really only how can a customer not speak the "common/standard version of the language" if he/she went to school?
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Schools can teach you english. Doesn't mean schools around the globe teach with the intent of making you sound like you are native to the UK, AU or the US.
Voice recognition isn't just a matter of what you say but also how you pronounce it. There is more to good voice recognition than supporting standard/common grammar.
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Schools in England all teach English the same way, yet people sound (radically) different from different parts of the country. The spoken language is learnt by sound from one's peers, and is not naturally learnt independently from that (you can learn accents and pronounciation, but you don't get that from your high-school teachers). Even when the BBC forced 'Queen's English' pronunciation, it had zero effect on regional accents and dialects, and now media has relaxed and is tolerant of regional accents.
True, but we are talking about a US company that doesn't readily serve soccer (football) market.
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Yup sure. I guess however they don't take accents into account here in America
And you would be 100% wrong there. Bkilian has already stated that for Kinect 1.0 they had to support 9 different dialects of English, IIRC, for the American market.
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SB
Well there are 2 types of accents in the US, regional accents and foreign accents, both of which would benefit from the largess of resources for English speakers. I guess my thought was what resources would be made available to deal with foreign accents for US machines ? Is it something that comes with US machines by default or does MS not worry about such a demo ?
If it is baked in there could be support for those accented english speakers in the 8 countries that won't see the XB1 till 2014 ? Can they just get US machines imported then ?? I'm sure this has been answered but I haven't had time to check.
Silent_Buddha
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From what I understand the English dialects that are available for Kinect v.1 was automatically chosen based on your location. The machine had a limited amount of memory and hence it can't hold all English dialect variants at all times. Bkilian mentioned how he has to try to talk with an American accent since he lives in the US.
And there are a LOT of supported English Dialects. Just the UK alone is going to have multiples. And it wouldn't surprise me if Australia has multiple dialects. Perhaps S. Africa is small enough that everyone has a single English dialect, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were 2 even for that smallish country. Or I wonder if it similar enough to a British or Australian accent that the can get away with using one of those?
Xbox One has a lot more memory, so in theory it should allow for more than just regional dialects to be stored and used. Perhaps enough that Bkilian will no longer have to speak with an American accent in order to use Kinect v.2 on Xbox One.
Hence, while it sounds like a no brainer to just release in a country where many people have English as a second language, that is problematic as it may not be able to fully recognize their particular dialect/accent. Hence, Microsoft would prefer to have localization for all languages and language dialects/accents for any given country considering that Kinect is central to the Xbox One experience. You can always import it and then you may or may not have a good voice recognition experience. But that obviously isn't good enough for a "supported" launch.
So, something like releasing in Mexico would be a no brainer because many people in the US are immigrants from Mexico and Spanish (predominantly with a Mexican dialect) is an official second language in the US. Hence localization will likely already have happened.
Same thing for a country like Austria, I'm going to assume was done because perhaps there are many people living in Germany on the German/Austria border that share the same accent/dialect as Austrian German?
A country like Switzerland becomes more complex as you have multiple languages and as someone pointed out the dialect for that language can be significantly different from the parent country of that language. And to compound that the country is small enough that the parent countries aren't likely to have many people in them speaking the parent language with their particular accent/dialect to have it as one of the localization dialects for the parent country.
Regards,
SB
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