Neverending Upscaling/Resolutions/AA etc Thread #3 (Rules Post #1!)

There may be an hour or so variance in that shot. I've subsequently resynced the game having found the clock function on the arm band thing

 

360 Fallout is 4xAA? I didn't even notice when playing to be honest.

 

The textures of the edges are not as jagged with AA?


Just a guess.

 

Funny but true...and some other little parts are better on ps3 fallout 3 (look ant shine or texture underground for example in the same shot) although is the worse version from the three. That is very ...absurd...I really hope a future patch on ps3 who fix the bugs (sure) and the jaggies too; will be possibile to apply aa filter with a patch ?

 

4xAA on 360 vs 0xAA on PS3, nice port there...

Texture quality isn't affected by MSAA.

 

^ I'm pretty sure hes just joking.

 

Joking, and at the same time trying to make sense of what RDK was attempting to say.

 

2 questions:

1) Why doesn't Bioshock PS3 have a horizontal res? is it 1280x680?

2) Where was it determined that Fallout 3 360 is definitely 4xAA? I see Quaz mention that something strange is going on and maybe selective 4xAA, but wouldn't that be like saying Wipeout HD is 1080p, when in fact it changes?

Standards seem to be slipping.

 

Because it's difficult to determine with the blur.

There's clearly AA going on. Just because some edges are not fine with the AA resolve does not mean it isn't being used. There are times when post-processing can interfere with the AA resolve, and there are times when it isn't affected. (referring to outdoor image provided by grandmaster)

This is so clearly 4xMSAA.

 

but not all edges

http://www.gamekult.com/images/J000084091/

 

Indeed, but it's still there... The question, as with certain other titles, is why only certain surfaces receive the AA. It could be incompatibility with the tone mapping, it could be a different AA approach. It could be something else entirely. A pity people focus on *other subjects* instead of the technical nature that is the spirit of the thread.

 

MGS4 looks blurry to you, how so? That has to be the single most clean looking game I have seen this gen.

MGS4 is 2xAATemporal right? But only during movement I thought. I guess it could look blurry in motion but I never noticed it. Still it looks quite crisp.

Quincunx is definitely a better alternative to blur though, R1 looks very clean in-game with it. Dosen't make the game blurry at all to my eyes, maybe it just over-softens the edges which could be seen as blur maybe?

 

in the KZ2 pdf file, they said they are using QAA but also mention on tweaking or improving on the AA so is there a way that you can increase or decrease the blur in QAA?

 

MGS4 is a fairly clean crisp game. It uses 2xTemporal which like QAA is suppose to give 4X quality without the larger performance hit. The only obvious blur you will see is depth of field use in the game. There is sometimes "streaking" in cinematics with camera movement, which is probably associated with the temporal AA, but you'd have to have quick eyes to see it a lot of the time.

 

Temperal AA doesn't work as well with movement.

Quincunx blurs the whole image, just a bit, but enough to where I have always prefered to use standard 2xAA. It isn't easy to notice without direct comparison though, I googled up some old example shots down the page here.

 

Cool thanks, definitely see the difference. If slight.

I like the QAA a bit more since it takes away some of the sharpness that instantly makes an image clearly not natural. Like the window for example.

Other than that I don't think its too important as long as you are a decent way from the TV. I remember thinking R1 was much better looking than other games when my TV was at the foot of my bed. Any edges at all were noticeable. Ended up changing it since Wii games that close are just plain ugly.

Sorry for the off-topic but at least I learned something.

 

Well I hope to know correctly but only Quincux 'first versions' had visible blur effect; with last evolution is improved really so much and is very hard to notice this flaw, just as you said a little bit and forgive me again but it isn't so simple to see at eyes perception, watching assassin's creed or the last killzone 2 version, Really quincux on ps3 rsx is a good compromise.

 

I'd agree with that. Obviously there's some lighting differences, but really that's by the by. The AA and that weird shadow in the bottom left are the main differences.

 

Can I laugh my ass off about this one?

Edit: actually, the entire thread has gone a bit downhill in the past few days...

 

Looks like PS3 normal maps are downscaled, spec/shading detail isn't as good as on the 360 but diffuse textures are OK.