Neverending Upscaling/Resolutions/AA etc Thread #3 (Rules Post #1!)

They also had some options (heavy assumption that they are using FP10):

1) 1280x720 + 4xMSAA + 32bpp + 32-bit Z requires 3 tiles. (28.1MiB)
2) 1920x1080 + 2xMSAA + 32bpp + 32-bit Z requires 4 tiles (31.6MiB)
3) 1920x1080 + 2xMSAA + 32bpp + 24-bit Z requires 3 tiles (27.7MiB)

If they had chosen FP16, all cases above would require 5 tiles.

For a top down game, I can't imagine that a 24-bit Z buffer wouldn't be enough to avoid z-fighting, so case 3 should be a viable option. Case 1 and 3 have similar distributions in screen space tiles i.e. each of the three tiles covers a similar percentage of the frame.

So the only big difference between 1 and 3 would be in the higher load of pixel processing (2.25x pixels). And that is where it's puzzling - apparently the PS3 edition not only achieves the higher resolution, but also a more stable framerate.

 

I've got a question.

For games that are native 1920x1080 on the PS3 and have AA (2x) for example, what happens when you have it in 720P mode? is it usually just a bump down in resolution or do you add more AA aswell? (1080P is more then double the pixels of 720P isn't it?).

 

Depends on the game...I know GT5p ups 2xAA to 4xAA.

 

[strike]Now that MGS4 is out, what does everyone think of the route that Konami went with the native resolution?
I have to say the game looks cleaner than I would have expected. Seems to me like 1024x768 upscaled to 1080p in software can look as good as 720p being scaled to 1080p by the TV set. Dare I say... even better? There's none of that smudginess that I sometimes notice with TV scaling.[/strike]

Mod Note: This isn't the thread to discuss personal opinions on what looks better. -AlS

 

I think I found out how to get around the problem of the grey blacks on the original xbox games played on the 360.

Aparently it has everything to do with scaling, here's an easy way for anyone to see for themselfs what I mean.

Set your HDTV to 4:3 format with the black boarders on both sides and set the xbox to 720p via component in a cut scene or something that uses black bars on top and bottom or even in a black loading screen etc, compare the black of the game with the black of the tv bars and you'll notice that the black of the tv bars is much blacker.

Now set the xbox 360 for 480p and test again the blacks will be as black as the tv bars.

Don't use the VGA cable for this test it always looks grey (at least with me)

This is a bit of context but anyway I remember some people before here hadn't noticed this and didn't know what I was talking about this is a way to see it and to make it work right, it does make a nice difference in overall image quality with this better contrast.


Edit: I'm waiting for some nice guy here to test it to see if this isn't just my tv or something though it wouldn't make much sense to be the tv.

 

anyone got the spec for Ace Combat 6?

 

infamous
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/03/10/31051_Infamous-02.jpg
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/03/10/31052_Infamous-03.jpg

 

Viva Pinata 2:
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/8741/1652_0001.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/8741/1652_0002.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/8741/1652_0003.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/8741/1652_0004.jpg

Infamous:
http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hero_screen_125.jpg
http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hero_screen_76.jpg
http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hero_screen_47.jpg

Killzone 2:
http://talkplaystation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/killzone-2_23-06-08_01.jpg
http://talkplaystation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/killzone-2_23-06-08_02.jpg
http://talkplaystation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/killzone-2_23-06-08_03.jpg
http://talkplaystation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/killzone-2_23-06-08_04.jpg

 

Has anyone checked Dead Rising's resolution and AA? I think there's a demo on XBL Marketplace.

 

from what i recall, Killzone 2 is 720p Quincunx AA.

and for some reason, Infamous reminds me of Banjo 3.

 

i asked once, someone said that if it's not on the list then it's probably safe to assume it's 720p.

 

Yes, I've tested Killzone 2 at 720p - again until release we can't be 100% sure of any game.

 

720p no aa

 

Dead Rising is 720p, with up to 4xAA like Lost Planet.

 

Isnt that only in cutscenes tho?

 

Nothing on Infamous yet?

 

Screenshots are clearly 720p no AA

 

this Sacred2 PS3 publisher screenshots are 1920x1080 native rendering

http://www.gamekult.com/images/J000091069/

 

They look like bullshots.

Are they? I can barely notice a single jaggy.

 

Possibly from scaling 1080p to 720p.