Networking and WiFi

Tahir2

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Quick question to all the networking specialists.

Is it possible to set up an intranet via WiFi but at different locations?
The two sites have the same workgroup name, are not on their own domain and are connecting to the internet via standard ADSL and FTTC services. There is no way to wire the workstations within the buildings, let alone anything else.
 
I believe you need to be a lot more detailed on what you're trying to achieve. Your request is too vague. Really not sure what you're asking or trying to achieve here sorry.
 
It sounds to me like he has 2 separate networks both have internet access and he wants to join them together using wifi.

Since I'm here I can haz a similar question
I have a pc upstairs to normally to connect it to a wireless router one would buy a wifi dongle. I dont have one but I do have another wireless router
one of these :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Belkin-F5...less-G-Router-With-Power-Supply-/231738488861
Is it possible to use it as just a wifi dongle and how would I go about it ?
 
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If it's inside the same building he could use a wifi repeater or configure any wifi routers he has as a repeater/accesspoint. You could do the same with that Belkin if it has support for that. That way you should be able to connect your pc to the Belkin which should have internet access by wifi from your other router connected to the WAN.
 
OK let's try again with the request.

We have 4 sites all at different geographical locations.

I want to be able to log in through the internet to an internally hosted server mainly for file sharing duties.

What is the best, cheapest, securist way to achieve this? Perhaps a router with the option to connect an external drive (the File Server) but then I need to automate back ups too in the future so perhaps a NAS can achieve this?

Alternatively each site gets a Open-WRT compatible router and I set up a VPN (never done this before but I can research it.)

The aim is for all sites to be able to:
a) save files to a file server
b) ensure no one outside the business can access the file server
c) automate user data backups from their local profile for instance (users love saving to the desktop)
d) make it as admin free as possible going forward

Any help and pointers woud be greatly appreciated guys!
 
Cheapest isn't always best, I don't think most of the office would have a clue how to use FTP. How would we ensure it's secure?
 
VPN of some sort. Remote access can be just like you're on the local network.

I use Gargoyle (OpenWRT-based) at my work for a VPN. It has a simple OpenVPN server config. I use it to link some employees' PCs to the work intranet. They connect on their PCs but I think Gargoyle can be a client too.
https://www.gargoyle-router.com/wiki/doku.php?id=gargoyle_setup

I haven't a clue about commercial hardware to do this but I'm sure there is plenty. A networking forum would probably be more helpful than B3D.
 
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OK let's try again with the request.

We have 4 sites all at different geographical locations.

I want to be able to log in through the internet to an internally hosted server mainly for file sharing duties.

What is the best, cheapest, securist way to achieve this? Perhaps a router with the option to connect an external drive (the File Server) but then I need to automate back ups too in the future so perhaps a NAS can achieve this?

Alternatively each site gets a Open-WRT compatible router and I set up a VPN (never done this before but I can research it.)

The aim is for all sites to be able to:
a) save files to a file server
b) ensure no one outside the business can access the file server
c) automate user data backups from their local profile for instance (users love saving to the desktop)
d) make it as admin free as possible going forward

Any help and pointers woud be greatly appreciated guys!

Best, cheapest and most secure don't mix so if you need to keep your super secret plans for stealing Davros' Holy Grail Of Gaming Goodness secure you should drop a load of cash and get professional grade hardware along with people who know how to work with them.

Second question would be how many users are there at each location and whether those users already logging on to a local domain?

Like you said you could put a Open-WRT router at each side our you could look into something like PFsense. I've never used Open-WRT but I did use PFsense and it's pretty usable. Setting op the firewall and open vpn won't even cost you an hour. The advantage is that you can run it on a old pc or inside a VM. Keep in mind that if you wan't high speed VPN you'll need a cpu to match but the same thing applies to hardware firewalls and I doubt a 50 euro Open-WRT device is going to be quicker than something like a old core2duo.

Anyway PFsense can run inside a VM so you can easily try it out and simulate a network between your 4 locations in your own office.

As for your questions;

A) Not knowing the hardware and software you have currently running you might be able to assign a network drive to all your remote users that maps to your local fileserver. Obviously you'll need to have everybody connect over a vpn and configure your fileserver to only allow the vpn connections access.

If that isn't a option you could use something like owncloud. We use that at work for sharing some fairly unimportant stuff. I haven't set it up myself but I'm sure you can limit access to local (vpn) users. Owncloud works the same as dropbox apart from that.

B) VPN, Firewall, proper configuration on the VPN, Firewall and fileserver should go a long way to assure that.

C) The most admin free way (as far as backupping only goes) would be to set up a local domain at each location, create accounts for each users and let the laptop profile sync with the domain server. Keeping the domain running won't be admin free though.

Assuming maintaining a domain is too much work you could set up a local filesever and use the built in windows backup feature to backup to the fileserver at certain times. You can have then have the fileservers at each of your locations sync with your main server if you feel the need to.

You could also have them backup directly to the server at your location over the vpn but chances are thing might clog the Internet connections.

This solution does require you to configure each pc manually which could take some time though you might be able to automate quite a bit with a batch script. I guess this would work if you have something like a dozen users at each location but if you need to manage 50 or more I'd look into setting up local domains.

D) Something like remote desktop or citrix might actually be the most maintenance free. You can make due with dumb terminals at all your locations as they would just remote into your local server. Might also be the most secure as no files will be stored outside your local server. Though it won't be cheap or easy to implement and the user experience will depend a lot on the available Internet connection. Sames goes for availability. If the Internet connection craps out the whole office will be doing nothing.

So you have various options. I would look into PFsense & a local server for backing up first as the cost of this would be no more than that of 4 half decent pc's and you can first test the whole thing locally in a VM so no need to spend money until you know it works.
 
cheapest way would be some scripting and a ftp program

ftp is too old, well that's not the issue (it's from the 70s) but it's unencrypted and if you authenticate you have plaintext passwords flying over the network.

The low cost, easy solution is to use an SSH server instead. Security details are taken care off. You can use a key to authenticate (a file with a certain length of garbage letters like "qF3AAHtuVlaMiTq6FFwYUge17l2mDmgDXd
Z8ZUeNTx/aEOVVoAu/OOs8zCqvkdW7cCF") and if so, you have the option to use it password-less.

You can use WinSCP on Windows, Filezilla on Windows or Linux, scp (command line) or sshfs on Linux. File access is to be done with SFTP protocol (unrelated to FTP)
 
Thanks all that responded and especially t_o_c, currently I am in information overload mode.
Will speak to a local company tomorrow if all goes well to see how they can help.
Otherwise.. yeah VM with PFSENSE... off to Google*

*Other search engines are available
 
Jesus the answer is so simple. Site to site VPN. I set these up all the time with SonicWalls but most any professional grade firewall/router should be capable (VPN is standardized so it doesn't even have to be the same model on both ends though I recommend that if possible). This is cheap.

For maximum security and reliability you could purchase private network services between sites from your ISP. Would likely be MPLS these days. This is expensive.

Regardless it has nothing to do with WiFi.
 
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