More Sony Invasion of MS Scorpio Thread Cleanup *Spawn*

if I'm not mistaken PS4pro lacks 4k bluray support, if you are buying a console + 4K TV you likely don't have a 4K blu ray player and it would be added cost (if you are one of the weird people still relying on physical media!), so it's another positive.

 

That's $50 more from the current Pro price. I fully expect it will go down by the time Scorpio is out.

 

Why are people comparing the pro with Scorpio I have no idea. The Scorpio is a different proposition and will have a huge marketing campaign behind it, the hype is already huge and feels more like a new console rather than a mid gen refresh. The people that are price sensitive will pick up an original PS4 , which is the market leader, and a few might pick up an XboxoneS . I really don't believe that the pro is a direct competitor to the Scorpio for the audience that the Scorpio will initially aim, the early adopter crowd . These people will either buy a Scorpio or stick to what they already have, a PS4 or Xbox one, I honestly don't believe that the choice will be between a pro and a Scorpio for most people that are interested in Scorpio.

 

PS4 Pro: prettier versions of PS4 games and no exclusives.
Xbox Scorpio: prettier versions of Xbox One games and no exclusives.

What's different about the proposition? The only difference will be if Microsoft bestow some unannounced functionality with Scorpio like Windows 10 compatibility which I've been predicting since January.

 

You, espessially , won't agree with whatever I write so I won't write an essay trying to argue about it. Already stated my opinion, the potential audience for Scorpio won't bother with a pro if it's 50-100$ cheaper, they will either buy a Scorpio or stick to the original PS4 and/or Xbox one.

 

What do you mean I "especially" won't agree with you? I don't know who you are. And I don't want to argue, I am seriously interested in why you think Pro and Scorpio are different? They look exactly the same to me.

Discussing things is the purpose of forums.

 

Why? What's the target audience for Scorpio and why's that different to the target audience for 4Pro? I'd have thought they were the same, current gen gamers wanting an upgrade, although 4K disc playback does give Scorpio a bit of a USP for 4K TV owners.

 

I think it's the necessary USP for MS. I think that (and cross-device games) is the biggest factor to make people want to choose XB over PS. It's the long game, but if Sony keeps people buying new games, the value appeal may win people over. So I'm kinda expecting MS to talk about that at E3.

 

I don't stand anywhere on Scorpio yet because Microsoft haven't unveiled it. We've had the initial early messaging with talk about games being "true 4K gaming" and "highest quality pixels" then gradually dropping back to developers actually deciding between resolution and shaders, which is the same developer-friendly as Sony. I do think Scorpio is bigger than Xbox and I expect Microsoft to talk more about it this week - maybe not during their conference. My money is still on Windows.

To be clear, I don't want to argue with you I just don't understand why you think Pro and Scorpio are different because they look the same to me at this point in time. Shifty seemed similarly perplexed.

Sony have stated what Pro is aimed at; reducing the bleed of PS owners to PC mid-way to late in each generation. This resonates because this is me. Games on console 100% early in then as the hardware increasingly becomes a barrier to what devs want to do in games I buy less on console and more on PC. That market of people are already tuned into the performance options so marketing to them can be minimal which has a bonus of reducing the risk of alienating existing owners.

 

Nice thread title change LOL If there was one thing I hate more anything on this forum after over 14 years of visiting here it's the incessant need to bring Sony & PlayStation into every Microsoft & Xbox thread.The pomposity of it just infuriates me to no end.

Tommy McClain

 

It's awkward to have any wide-ranging discussion on anything without acknowledgement of the wider market. There is plenty of Xbox in talk in these PlayStation threads (3 threads) and they are better for it as you can have a balanced conversation. Neither Sony or Microsoft, or their products, exist in a vacuum.

When was the last time you saw Xbox discussion cut from a PlayStation thread?

 

Perhaps because as AzBat says the MS invasion into a Sony thread is not incessant.

 

For the most part I don't read or post in PlayStation threads, so I wouldn't know. And I couldn't care less. If you want to discuss both start a thread on it & post all about the PlayStation you care so much about.

Tommy McClain

 

I think there are generally less PlayStation-specific topics than Xbox threads, which may explain this. I am hazy on the etiquette on the acceptability of mentioning another platform in a topic subject about a different platform. Sometimes it's is tolerated or even encouraged by mods given their participation, other times it's not. It would be clearer if the position could be set out as they would serve to avoid derails and spawns threads. I think most aim to stay on topic but when is a bringing another platform into a topic encouraged or discouraged?

Well you do post and read, so let's not be silly about it. I think most people on these forums read and post into a many threads because most people are not partisan even if they chose a specific platform. This is the console industry forum and the industry is larger than any one company.

 

This has been a sore point because there have been at least 4 times this year alone that the MS Scorpio has turned into a Sony discussion thread. Sony and SonyWithMicrosoft and SonyWithMicrosoftWithNintendo have their own threads already. Learn how to remain on topic and select the appropriate threads.

If you read the current Scorpio thread you would realize that very clearly as the very first post states:

MOD: This thread is only for discussing Scorpio news and rumours and what people do/don't hope to see. It's not for discussing the future of MS, competing platforms, relative position of Scorpio, predicting sales, or anything else not directly to the new box and the games it plays.

Starting posts are some of the most recent on topic posts I could find in the Mid-gen thread.


The reason its not a problem in the Sony threads is MS talk hasnt completely derailed them over and over and over and over and over.

Yes, there are mixed company thread and there are single company threads. The Scorpio News thread is a single company thread and pollution of that thread is not acceptable.

 

Even the "Microsoft Xbox Scorpio Price Prediction thread" gets mentions about Sony because reasonable, mature adults can discuss these things without crying for a safe space.

We know the price of Scorpio is important relative to the PS4 Pro. We know the power of Scorpio is important relative to the PS4 Pro.

Grow up, kids.

 

Once again if you read the Scorpio News and Rumors thread you would already know what has been established as acceptable topics and what are not. Its not the thread for price comparisons nor is it the thread for competing platforms and comparisons.

Follow directions and learn to self-moderate.

 

Evidently you can't read. I said "for the most part". Check my over 5300 messages over the past 14 years & see how many of those are in PlayStation threads. I will wait while you go count them & calculate a percentage...

Tommy McClain

 

My bad