More Sony first-party PlayStation games coming to PC

Because there is absolutly no benefits for us Consolegamers . Why do you think
that all Consolegames must coming to the Pc? Why i must serve the PC Market with my Money , or to serve the bad Cross/ Multiplatformgames? I want Quality and only Exclusivgames can deliver this. If Sony bring all their AAA Titles to the PC they cannot deliver the same Quality on Console , they didnt spend much Time to optimize the Code/Engine anymore , they must make many compromises in point of the Cost for those Crossplattform Strategy. So upcoming PS Games running on a generic Code to serve different PC Configurations, generic sterile Graphics , PS Games becoming DX12 Derivat Style Graphics, same Shader/Textur Assets etc. , etc. So the Quality goes down and down, Sony glorius AAA Titles running bad like those Multiplats , Framedropping, Tearing , so no great Gaming Experiences anymore. Nobody can say " For the Players" when they focusing on a Buinessmodel that canibalize their own Hardware Plattform and Brandname, and the PS5/PS4 is then only a another PC Plattform for them.

Many PC Gamers has a Playstation for Exclusivgames, when Sony bring those Games to the PC , there is no need for them to buy a Playstation, so Hardware Sales going down , and this a disavantage for us Console only Gamers, less Hardware Sales and then there is no Reason for the Studios to put much effort in Class A Games. And on the other Side , did serve the Pc Market the Consoleworld ? No . Come Pc Exclusicgames like Star Citizien, WoW etc . to the Console? No. So where are the benefits for us Consoleros from the PC World? We must gave up all our Avantages and good Games to the PC and become nothing back. There is no Proof that all the Profit and Money they make with porting Exclusivgames to the Pc , expanding to Crossplatform Market, use as an Investment for better Game Development, Quality etc. for us Consoleros. If the Playstation Userbase so important for Sony, why are they so silent, the last 2 Years there is zero Communication to the Public from Sony Headquarter, no officiall Statement about Multiplatformstrategy , Futureplans, Roadmaps, leaving E3 as a Place for showing their Products.

Look what happend in Februar at the Ps5 Presentation, the worst thing become real, 8-9 Tflops, no interesting Games, official Statement about Crossplattform Strategy, copying Microsofts Plans, how would be the Reaction from the People? And maybe the next Schocker , the Pc Version from HZD looks better than HZD 2 on Ps5.

Hilarious

 

Sony's goal, which the greedy capitalist bastards share with Microsoft and Nintendo, is make money.

 

I think they need to hit the right balance. I think timed exclusives for PS platforms are a given, this way you keep the incentives that make your consumers buy your consoles while, at the same time, expand the number of players in the long run.

IMO, Sony should expand PS Plus to PC as well. PS Now should be bundled with PS Plus the same way amazon includes amazon video in amazon prime. PS Plus users on PC should be able to: play against PS users (in some games ofc, in FPS PS players would be at a disadvantage although maybe the game could detect whether the players on PC are using M+K or a controller as an input), it should include the PC version of the third party games included in PS Plus, early access to Sony developed titles and discounts on Sony (or even third party) games.

Sony needs to stop thinking as Playstation just as a box to think about it in terms of a service.

 

But if Playstation become a service, they will lose some money on the hardware. If I can have ps4/5 games on pc, on the same release date, I've no interest on a console anymore, i'll just stick with my pc.

 

It's amusing to hear so many people say this about PlayStation when being "just a box" has made the division more profitable than ever this gen. It's easy to see why MS want to overturn the apple cart emulating services like Netflix that rack up debt faster than they increase revenue, because they've never been able to win in the current market paradigm.

But for Sony, there's no incentive to risk everything that has been working so well on a wish and a prayer. They're willing to experiment. There may very well be a sizable untapped market for them in PC, but just like with VR, they are being conservative and not blindly making it the centerpiece of their platform before they see results.

 

I think that Sony should be able to market PS5 as the premium device to get the PS experience. The same way you can have some Apple software on Windows and other devices but it all works much better if you have the Apple hardware as well. I'm not saying that Sony should go all in with offering their games on other platforms, I'm just saying that they need to expand.

And I don't think that it is a risky move, if the steam machines or other PCs designed to be in the living room had succeded then Sony would be in a tough position. But the market has shown people want a separate device under their TVs, something that is easy to use. People will still want a PS even if some of the games are available on PC.

 

True, but when you drill down into it the economics of publishers and console manufactures (who are also publishers) they are only peripherally alike. Console manufacturer's are generally publishing to just one or two platforms so they're often working with a more restricted market, plus as manufacturer you're increasingly (with digital sales) skimming the retailer cut regardless of what is sold, along with the licensing cost of the software itself. It's swings and roundabouts. Activision, EA, Ubisoft and Rockstar aren't investing billions in risky new hardware which will invariably sell at a loss for some time, but they're doing fine financially.

This new generation will rock this stable boat. The videogame industry, revived and evolved following the 80s collapse, has proven to be a robust industry predicated on a predictable and safe. New consoles would come out and people would buy new games and accessories for them because, for the most part, old games and accessories did not work. Publishers had assurance that games for new consoles would sell if the console sold because players would need new games. Roll forward to Holiday 2020 and we have two consoles that play all your old games. And certainly with PS5, old peripherals work as well. There is a distinct possibility people will buy a new console, not as many accessories and fewer games, because they'll be replaying old games. With hardware sold at a loss, manufacturer's and publishers could be seeing less revenue/profit.

Sometimes what is good for consumers is not good for industry. Less profit can lead to instability, less investing which leads to less innovation and less competition.

 

I'm not sure about that, speaking for myself I've owned every console capable of backwards compatibility and I think I might of spent like 1 hour playing a previous gen game.
People buying consoles at launch usually are all about the new hotness.

 

PC never catching up seems a strange idea. There will be 7000mb/s ssd solutions available already this year, and i doubt you will need that anyway. First party games like HZD will be designed for PS5 first and at a later date ported to PC. If someone is still left on aging hardware that's their own decision to not upgrade.
Sony is doing what MS was doing awhile ago, we see more and more PS4 titles appearing on PC, and now that Sony 1st party AAA also make their way that's a door opener.

There is zero disadvantage to you as a Sony only gamer, you will get HZD2 designed on Decima2 from the ground up on PS5. That there most likely will be a PC version later doesn't affect you at all. If you want the better experience then you need to wait long also.

They already started doing that, now also AAA sony only are coming, and more to come they said. MS didn't either blast off at once but slow and safe.

If there is more money to make, they will. And there sure is more to it then just one box.

 

I doubt many people buy a new console unless they can also afford one or more games and, if couch co-op is important, that important second controller. PS4 owners can buy PS5 on launch day without else and have plenty to do with the system. If this is a signifiant number of people this makes Sony's RoI a longer-term prospect. For many, assuming the gameplay experience is better (the SSD will guarantee it I think), it won't be too different to those who upgraded to PS4 Pro or Xbox One X.

I didn't say that.

700mb/s is around 20% of the speed the PS5's drive is purported to be PS5 should be able to load that data direct into VRAM (as PS4 does). PC cannot because it has separate RAM pools. This is why there are some GPUs with their own SSD. Data on the GPU's SSD cannot be loaded into main RAM. This just how PCs are architected.

You posted this yesterday and it's not true. It's still not true today.
If you believe it is, please list the the first-party PlayStation exclusive games that have been released on PC. Plenty of games the are released on PS4 as a timed exclusive appear on other platforms, including Xbox and Switch. This is very different to Sony publishing first-party exclusive games on other platforms.

edit: correction - thanks, Chris!

 

He said 7GB/s not 700 MB/s.

After I agree with you it will take a long time before the PC market or very fast SSD will be big enough for release games designed around it. I don't expect PS5 games on PC before PS6 probably

 

Thanks - will edit.

 

We have no idea how fast that PS5 SSD actually will be, but i doubt PC won't be able to catch up, or even already have it before. Yes it is going to be more expensiv, but if people really are going to be stuck o aging hardware that's themselfs to blame. Before 8th gen, pc's had to be upgraded when new consoles launched.

Yet there are zero problems for PC to run PS4 games on ballpark equal hardware. I doubt again PC will be unable to match, and again aside from that we have no idea if the PS5 will be using AMD's SSG tech or a form of it.

 

Currently PCIE4 SSD are very expensive. How much will it cost 300/350 dollars and being slower not as fast as the PS5 SSD.

This will not be something common and the software(OS and games) is not ready at all. NVMe goes just a bit faster than SATA SSD out of some operation like copy files.

 

For now. Btw, Star Citizen doesn't really agree

 

Again, it's not about the raw speed of the drive. It's about getting the data where it needs to be. A unified memory system has advantages that PC's disparate RAM and VRAM pools cannot match. But to revisit what Mark Cerny actually said: "The raw read speed is important, but so are the details of the I/O [input-output] mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them.". A bespoke console architecture can be purposefully engineer out the innate bottlenecks that exist in PC architecture.

Because PS4's architecture doesn't do anything that PC can't brute force. The SSD and I/O of PS5 can change that. It'll be fundamentally different. Not unlike why the reason there are no fully-working PS3 emulators is PC just can't brute force Cell emulation.

edit: typos. so many - new keyboard!
edit2: wow - sound like Trump!

 

It's not about the raw speed and you would know that if you had an NVME drive and a SATA SSD. My NVME drive does not give me the load speeds it should compared to my SATA SSD.

 

Star Citizen work well on all SSD SATA too.

Reading the patent Sony has a game archive file optimized for SSD and like with game streaming on consoles from HDD or BD or DVD the goal is to have the data as sequential as possible. On game HDD on current gen console the data are as sequential as possible and worse because of HDD head movement they add duplication of data to hide HDD head access penalty.

On HDD it was too slow and moving the HDD head had a big penalty and duplicate data was a must.

On SSD each read request will probably need to be as sequential as possible and the team will need to transform the game engine I/O from serial to parallel. But doing the things well like what Baidu as done in datacenter. You can nearly reach theoretical speed of the SSD in an application. Here for 8MB read request 99% of theoretical bandwidth and at worst 8kb file 76% of read speed.

https://thessdguy.com/baidu-goes-beyond-ssds/

It means exclusives game tailored for PS5 streaming will have problem to work on slower HDD and slower SSD.

But the biggest reason PS5 games will release on PC when PS6 will arrive or when full transition to streaming is revenue and profit. Sony make all if it on PS hardware and I highly doubt PC and streaming will make more money for Sony than PS hardware ecosystem before a very long time maybe a decade.

Edit: On PS5 all from hardware to software OS is customized for the SSD storage. Out of the games where it is the work of dev to optimize the game engine and installed data to be able to push the speed as fast as possible.

Edit2: There is an easy solution have many RAM on PC 128 GB for example of DDR4 and being able to load the totality of the game on RAM. You just pay the penalty by a very long first loading time of the game but you can play with a HDD or a slower SSD. But better have a SSD than wait 16 minutes for fill 100 GB of data with a HDD.

 

https://www.senetic.es/product/SSDPED1D960GAX1

This is a good solution too.

 

If Sony release their games on PC there is no reason for me to buy PS5.

For me it was designed to stop people like me migrating when the gen got on as 3rd party titles struggled to run and looked crap. And it worked.

Erm, no. There’s no way for 500 you’re building a PC that’ll be way way better.

As above, I bought Pro mainly because I used to migrate to PC for the 3rd party games because the ran like shite on the consoles.

So no you can’t then.

Model seems to work just fine for them, or is the implication PS4 wasn’t a success?

I agree, it’s much like giving away HZD on PS+ when the sequel is near (Mark my words).