steveOrino
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It would seem TF is the new "Bits" from the 90s
ehhIt would seem TF is the new "Bits" from the 90s
Were bits ever a marketing gimmick? Anybody who thinks so should try to write an Elite clone using nothing more than 8-bit registers. Hell, try Tetris. When the biggest number you can manage in a cycle is 255 integer it makes you think about every number you need to manipulate and store.ehh
I wouldn't say TF are entirely marketing gimmicky like bits were.
Were bits ever a marketing gimmick? Anybody who thinks so should try to write an Elite clone using nothing more than 8-bit registers. Hell, try Tetris. When the biggest number you can manage in a cycle is 255 integer it makes you think about every number you need to manipulate and store.
Of course, there is marketing, then there is bullshit.There was the infamous Atari marketing of the Jaguar as a 64-bit machine.
Yes. We had the 16 bit Megadrive with 16 bits plastered across the top.Were bits ever a marketing gimmick?
lolOf course, there is marketing, then there is bullshit.
I believe Scarlet will have a Base model of 12 TF 16gig ram ($399) along with a 15 TF 32 gig ram monster ($549) for the enthusiasts.
Not that I think Anthem is anything mind blowing tho
I'm pretty sure native coded next gen titles would easily smoke it graphically.
And how this generation's shitty CPU's have been worked around.
I wouldn't say TF are entirely marketing gimmicky like bits were. At least TF is a measure of calculation power.
TF is probably closer to the MHz run
I was coming from more of a sensibility standpoint. Is average consumer going to notice a difference (let alone, care) between 10TF and 12TF? Looking from a purely historical perspective, probably not. Both are going to run the same games with minor differences, if any. Atari Jaguar games didn't look all that much better than Snes and Genesis games for example. Other outliers that kinda came between generations like the N64 and Dreamcast didn't set the world on fire despite having superior graphics capability to the older competition. Hardware has traditionally always been a distant partner to the software running on the system and a vast majority of consumers (and all software publishers) view the hardware as barriers to entry in order to play those games. That's why I feel TF, Bits, _HZ, etc just doesn't matter in the end because publishers want as many people to buy their software as possible and end users just want to pay enough to access that software.
Bit wars mattered up to the 32 bit era. The n64 may have been a lot stronger than Saturn/PlayStation but it wasn't because of 64 bits.ehh
I wouldn't say TF are entirely marketing gimmicky like bits were. At least TF is a measure of calculation power.
TF is probably closer to the MHz run
Yeah I have a hard time envisaging either Sony or MS launching at >$399, both bear the scars from prior attempts to shift the bubble (remember the 'so good you'll get a second job' comments? good times Sony, good times). I think we need to remember that the mass market doesn't know, or frankly care, what is possible, whatever gets launched will be the "new thing" and if the new thing is 50% more expensive than the time they bought the old thing they will stay away in droves. I've spent far too much of my life reading about economics not to understand that $399 today is worth a lot less than $399 6-8 years ago but most folks (quite reasonably) don't give a flying one and will simply tell little Johnny no (or tell themselves no with a sigh because they know Johnny is starting football next week and goddam how are kits for a 10 year old so expensive? etc etc).
I can't think of a feature that $200 more than the competition will enable that can blow away the $399 vs $599 argument. We're not dealing with a lot of money here and while the folks on this board can and will call out half res buffers, 2 x mip mapping, etc none of those are the kind of things that lend themselves to a 30 second tv spot or YT pre-roll (especially YT, god that video IQ is muck). The only thing that maybe qualifies is a nice bit of NVMe but it's hard to make a compelling ad from "wait 20s less per load" compared to "$399 vs $599", I can see a lot of folks deciding that their time isn't that valuable and those who do will simply fired an SSD in after the fact as they do today
Er, some of the most amazing looking AAA Sony exclusives are in face open world games (Horizon ZD, In famous SS, Ghost of Tsushima, Spiderman, hell even Days Gone looks nuts)Im not seeing that happen, just 3TF more and the base model being targetted mostly, it wont be enough of a difference.
I think it looks amazing, more so then Sony AAA exclusives, linear games dont give me the same impression.
So will many other games releasing after 2020/21.
Worked around by limiting FPS to 30 or even dips below that?
Yes. We had the 16 bit Megadrive with 16 bits plastered across the top.
Er, some of the most amazing looking AAA Sony exclusives are in face open world games (Horizon ZD, In famous SS, Ghost of Tsushima, Spiderman, hell even Days Gone looks nuts)
And MS would do it if not simply for the bragging marketing right of having the most powerful console moniker, Phil is pretty well set on that direction. Sony might surprise us too but most likely will focus on other things tho.
I think that' s an irrelevant narrative. Firstly, if the consoles don't look any different, they won't sell. Duh. So obviously they'll look better. If the console companies can't make a console that's better enough, they'll just wait.Little Johnny asks Mum,
“hey Mum can you buy me the new playstation 5 for Xmas?”
“Don’t you already own a PlayStation? Which is still only a few years old” Replies Mum.
“Yes but this is the updated one, see the pics, new graphics”. He pleads.
Mum looks at the pics and says “l can’t tell the difference, what else does it do?”
“Ummmmmmmmm.......” was Johnny’s stumped reply.
Edit....This one is for shifty
I think that' s an irrelevant narrative. Firstly, if the consoles don't look any different, they won't sell. Duh. So obviously they'll look better. If the console companies can't make a console that's better enough, they'll just wait.
Secondly, it's the next iteration and so better. People are used to that, very much so in the console space and regards their phones etc. iPhone 6 was marginally better than iPhone 5 than iPhone 4 than iPhone 3. Did the same things. Didn't stop them selling because people thought they were already covered with their existing phone.
Third, Mum doesn't care what the pictures look like, probably never could tell the difference between generations anyway, doesn't care what else it can do (MS tried to get "Mums" involved with XB1 by marketing it on its non-gaming promises of TV and fitness, to zero success), and will buy Johnny's presents based on what he's asked for rather than an objective consideration of the functional value of the gift - hence so much pointless crap is sold to kids despite not doing anything. Marketing in that regard is about convincing Johnny that he wants the thing, and then Johnny goes on to convince his folks to buy it.
Fourth, I don't understand what argument this is in relation to.