HD 6970 & HD 6950 Reviews

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  1. swaaye

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    Which site is testing DOS games? :D
     
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    They had to "switch" the naming because Barts didn't fit the x7xx-series "description", so it had to be 68xx-series, and then they needed space for Cayman so it's 69xx-series. 6990 is the "new 5970"
     
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    How does it not fit? The original x7xx series wasn't that cut down compared to the chip it was based off of... the 5xxx generation is what introduced the massive gap between the two families.
     
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    I think it's clear that they are extending their product segmentation. So they needed more room in their numbering scheme for another "performance midrange" part or whatever you want to call it.

    6400, 6500, 6600 forthcoming. Probably some IGPs at 6100, 6200, 6300.
     
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    Um the 6870 isn't meant to replace the 5870, the 6970 does that job, being the fastest *single gpu* product in the range. As for the 5970, why would you expect a single gpu to be faster than it?
     
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    Was skimming thru Tom's review. They wrote 69x0 got crossfire improvements over 68x0 due to driver enhancements and will be backported later and 68x0 scales about the same as 58x0???
     
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    Sure so the replacement for the 6970 should be the 71070? And the replacement for that should be the 81170?

    They had a good naming scheme. 3870 -> 4870 (4890 same gen upgrade) -> 5870 each one being highest single GPU with a generation upgrade. Likewise 4770 -> 5770. Both Barts and Cayman would have slotted in almost perfectly into the existing naming structure as 6770 and 6870 respectively. Nothing precluded them continuing to sell 5770 as 5770 while all this is going on which was the supposed reason for the category reshuffle in the first place.

    So before 3870 their naming scheme was an absolute mess. Top card going from 7500 -> 8500 -> 9700 -> 9800 -> x800 -> x850 -> x1800 -> x1900 -> x1950 -> x2900. And forget about making sense of lower end cards from generation to generation.

    Then from 3xxx to 5xxx they had one of the most consistent and consumer friendly naming schemes ever implemented in the technology world.

    Then with 6xxx they threw it all out the window to confuse the frick out of non-enthusiasts again. And then to add insult to injury not only was 6870 at the performance level of what 6770 should be, 6970 ends up barely faster than 5870 which would have been fine as 6870 but makes little to no sense as 6970 especially when there's 5970 to compare it to.

    What a mess.

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    It's just a name. I personally would have preferred they just reboot the whole 6xxx lines naming scheme, but I suspect just as many people would have cried about that. Its hardly new or a huge issue.
     
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    I personally would prefer the next AMD card be called the "Radeon XR4Ti"...[sorry thread pollution]
     
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    The 6970 can be much faster than the 5870 btw and it will only get better as drivers mature. And dude, seriously, the 5970 is a dual gpu product, it makes zero sense to compare the 6970 to it. The 6970 can get very close to it in certain cases btw. You really just need to drop the whole argument tbh.
     
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    Aye no problem if they had scrapped it and come up with a new scheme, has happened multiple times in the CPU landscape by both AMD and Intel. Confusing still but at least you don't have people going in with expecations (established over 3 generations of product) of what the new cards are supposed to be.

    After all, they would have had to come up with something after the 9xxx generation. Similar to what Nvidia did. Although Nvidia seems determined to burn through their new number unnecessarily fast. 3xx was wasted. But I don't mind since they've been consistent starting with 4xx without rampant renaming of chips. Although I still think GTX 580 could just as well have been GTX 485 even though there were some architechtural changes that can warrant a bump to a new generation. But they kinda ruined that concept with GTX 465 since in the short past of the naming scheme the xx5 denoted a shrink or performance bump and 465 was neither of those..

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    Right now , I have an hdmi monitor plugged into my 5850 on the hdmi port. A dvi monitor on the dvi port of the 5850 and then a third monitor on a active dp adapter.

    Do I still need to do this on the 6950 or can i just run two dvi monitors and a hdmi monitor on the native ports ?
     
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    You just compared the two. ;)

    AMD's naming scheme change makes the 6970 vs. 5970 comparison a natural one. Their own fault.

    I didn't understand why the "X2" suffix became undesirable over at ATI. If these companies don't change their name scheme every generation they must get bored.
     
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    Ah no I think you still need the DP adapter sorry...
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Sigh I just wish they changed names every generation why couldn't they call it Cayman XT? or Cayman Pro, Codenames are cool, I remember when rage fury maxx pro errr n/m that was silly, but Riva128? TNT? GeForce? Now we go by numbers blah both sides are guilty of bigger is better but consistent naming schemes would make for an easier time for upgrades from consumers in the future.
     
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    I really don't get the hate for amd products.


    Look at least how it stands the 68x0 products are a diffrent gpu with diffrent features than the 58x0 products and the 69x0 is another gpu with diffrent features.

    Why again do we have a geforce gtx 4x0 and then a 5x0 set of cards using the same gpus ?
     
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    It was relevant to my argument though :razz:
    I think the only real confusion will come from uninformed consumers,which is who they make most of their money from, so it's unfortunate they altered their naming convention. I agree they should have kept the X2, it would make their product lineup less confusing for most consumers.
     
  20. Pete

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    Aaaaanyway, I noticed HW.fr enabled HQ filtering and I assume they used the default PowerTune setting. Seems like both settings are worth noting alongside driver version, though I haven't paid enough attention about PowerTune to know how much it can influence game framerates.

    Seriously, do we need a single "Hate on Product Naming" thread to keep defensive posts from clogging a thread? Can't we just take Florin's post as funny ha-ha, not funny I-need-to-defend-business-decisions? I'd much prefer posts in this reviews thread direct their love/hate/meh towards the reviews in question.
     
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