Germany Restricts Command and Conquer Generals for Idealogy!
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Neutrality
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Re: Germany Restricts Command and Conquer Generals for Ideal
ROFL!
How can anyone take such crap serious? Why doesnt the gamers of Germany show their outrage against this kind of censorship?
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DemoCoder said:
ROFL!
How can anyone take such crap serious? Why doesnt the gamers of Germany show their outrage against this kind of censorship?
-Neutrality-
The game contains no overt violence, gore, or sexuality. What is your excuse for hiding the game behind counters or requiring adults to buy it? This is the thought police in action.
Why C&C generals? Why not Starcraft? Warcraft (note, the title!) Civilization? Counter-Strike?
Except for sports and puzzles, the vast majority of games require you to shoot, bomb, punch, or kill something.
If it is the government doing this, it certainly is censorship. The government has no right to tell a 15 year old that they can't buy C&C, Doom, or whatever.
Why C&C generals? Why not Starcraft? Warcraft (note, the title!) Civilization? Counter-Strike?
Except for sports and puzzles, the vast majority of games require you to shoot, bomb, punch, or kill something.
If it is the government doing this, it certainly is censorship. The government has no right to tell a 15 year old that they can't buy C&C, Doom, or whatever.
RM. Andersson
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I´m not surprised. Socialists want to control peoples lifes. They dont think people can decide anything without help from the state.
And they think they have the right to force people that dont agree to think like them.
And they think they have the right to force people that dont agree to think like them.
RM. Andersson said:
Socialists? Interesting. The conservatives in Germany (even in the US) are the top dogs of the censorship crowd. The liberal/left are usually a fair bit more liberatarian. But yeah, I guess.. it's them dayum pinkos!!!
Why do I get the impression that a whole hell of a lot Americans are still stuck in cold war ideology?
horvendile
Regular
I suppose the people here from Germany knows this better than I do, but I don't think this is new. I remember from when the original C&C came out that I read that in Germany, they had to rewrite the game so that the infantry consisted of robots bleeding black oil instead of red blood.
Old news
That news is quite old actually. After that kid shooting 19 people in a school our youth protection laws were reworked in a hurry. Strictly spoken, pure wargames always were subject to the old standards (forbidding showing or promoting excessive violence against humans) but no one was bothered so far.
We got lucky we have a socialist government right now because the conservative opposition wanted to outlaw this type of game completely. Some game store owners now prepare to change their stores to adult only like most of the video stores here. In the end the only effect will be a promotion of software piracy, i guess, but try to tell this to a politician...
I'd also call the demands of some of the patiots here as thought police in action, btw.
That news is quite old actually. After that kid shooting 19 people in a school our youth protection laws were reworked in a hurry. Strictly spoken, pure wargames always were subject to the old standards (forbidding showing or promoting excessive violence against humans) but no one was bothered so far.
We got lucky we have a socialist government right now because the conservative opposition wanted to outlaw this type of game completely. Some game store owners now prepare to change their stores to adult only like most of the video stores here. In the end the only effect will be a promotion of software piracy, i guess, but try to tell this to a politician...
I'd also call the demands of some of the patiots here as thought police in action, btw.
RM. Andersson
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L233 said:
Both christian conservatives and socialists often want heavy censorship.
Often conservatives are a bit more sensitive to sex and socialists more to blood and violence. Most of the time they agree.
Since socialists and greens are in power in Germany I think it was fair to blame them a bit more in this case. Of course I wouldn´t be surprised if the conservatives(CDU?) support them.
MrsSkywalker
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Because a lot of people in the US grew up with a fear of the type of government and society that was rampant in the European nations when they were growing up. i.e. Banning the sale of something that the government was afraid would make the people think.
You mentioned a very small, yet very loud, minority of people who think that way over here. Notice the difference, though. While they rage and scream and shout, the country laughs. The US government doesn't ban materials. They don't tell us what we can and cannot say, think, or play. If Wal-Mart has a problem selling a CD with a swear on it, that's WAL-Mart's say so, and has nothing to do with the government.
You ask why we still stuck in the cold war ideology? Perhaps it's because of crap like this still happening.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Why do I get the impression that a whole hell of a lot of non-Americans are still stuck in pre-global-terrorism ideology?
Conservatives: don't put sex on TV, video games, movies
Liberals: Don't put violence in there
Conservatives are afraid that widespread sexuality will have a liberalizing affect on moral values.
Liberals are afraid that widespread violence in media makes people pro-war/pro-law-and-order/etc
Libertarians: people have a right to consume and publish any media they want, as long as the production of that media does not harm someone against their wishes, or a minor.
Libertarians: e.g. bans against CGI underage porn, necrophilia, etc are illegal. Distasteful yes, but why should simulations, drawings, or animation be illegal?
Liberals: Don't put violence in there
Conservatives are afraid that widespread sexuality will have a liberalizing affect on moral values.
Liberals are afraid that widespread violence in media makes people pro-war/pro-law-and-order/etc
Libertarians: people have a right to consume and publish any media they want, as long as the production of that media does not harm someone against their wishes, or a minor.
Libertarians: e.g. bans against CGI underage porn, necrophilia, etc are illegal. Distasteful yes, but why should simulations, drawings, or animation be illegal?
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Humus said:
Would you prefer the term "international" terrorism? Is global too vague for you becase your country hasn't been specifically attacked? (Regardless of any indirect impacts of international terrorism on your state?)
Babel-17
Veteran
"Libertarians: e.g. bans against CGI underage porn, necrophilia, etc are illegal. Distasteful yes, but why should simulations, drawings, or animation be illegal?"
Interesting question imo. I'm inclined to think that the argument for why we need laws to bar certain political parties might be broad enough to encompass some of this. Consider, Nazi rallys are illegal (afaik), could it not be argued that a perfect VR replication of a Nazi rally would also be illegal? While it might be useful to historians would it not pose much of the same risk of engendering illegal behavior? If so then imo it is but a short (though arguably crucial) leap to site this as precedent for barring CGI kiddie porn.
If (some) human beings are prone to being stimulated into actions that society considers crucial to ban then CGI could fall under the umbrella of proscribed behavior. The private "harmless" gratification it perpetrates is not the issue, its' engendering of subsequent behavior is.
Edit: Reread my post. Lol, not that good an argument on my part. Ah well.
Interesting question imo. I'm inclined to think that the argument for why we need laws to bar certain political parties might be broad enough to encompass some of this. Consider, Nazi rallys are illegal (afaik), could it not be argued that a perfect VR replication of a Nazi rally would also be illegal? While it might be useful to historians would it not pose much of the same risk of engendering illegal behavior? If so then imo it is but a short (though arguably crucial) leap to site this as precedent for barring CGI kiddie porn.
If (some) human beings are prone to being stimulated into actions that society considers crucial to ban then CGI could fall under the umbrella of proscribed behavior. The private "harmless" gratification it perpetrates is not the issue, its' engendering of subsequent behavior is.
Edit: Reread my post. Lol, not that good an argument on my part. Ah well.
Well.... I think conservatives are worried about the break down of the traditional family where sex is concerned. Liberalized sexuality attitudes have broken down the moral values that many small c conservatives are interested in preserving. IMO these break downs are a serious concern. Consider the epidemic of STDs such as HIV, HPV, herpies siphlous and the like. The plight of these people infected with these disease is enormous but the left turns their back on this legacy of the sexual revolution. People infected with these viruses will not likely ever mary and if they have children while the female is infected the virus is often passed along. Yuk, a sad state of affairs. Sex education was supposed to reduce the proliferation of STDs but all it has done is created an over zealous sexual environment plagued with STD. But no one wants to talk about that.
On the matter of violence conservatives seem to be of to minds and there seems to be less concern over violence but others seem just as fanatical about it as the left is.
As far as the left is concerned they believe that violence is something that is learned. Thus as a result their worries about violence are far more then simply what we see on TV or video games. The left is really taking that one step further and wants to eradicate the blemish of violence via nurturing. They believe we can rid society of violence simply by nurturing. Myself I think in order to rid society of violence it would require some serious genetic engineering and much of what the left spends their efforts on in the way of making children violent-less is a waste of time. The left is nearly fanatical in this pursuit ... it is a kin to fundamentalism in their absolute faith that all human woes can be cured via nurturing.
On the matter of sexuality and the left.. It seems they are more interested in proliferating it no matter what. Surely they can nurture children to be more sexual as the tendency is already present in human nature. This is a most effective tactic to break down morals with regards to sex and the traditional family. The welfare state loves too see wives leave their husbands. The more the traditional families/values are broken down the more the population goes to the state for financial assistance.. The breakdown of the traditional family is key to the creation of the egalitarian welfare state.
On the matter of violence conservatives seem to be of to minds and there seems to be less concern over violence but others seem just as fanatical about it as the left is.
As far as the left is concerned they believe that violence is something that is learned. Thus as a result their worries about violence are far more then simply what we see on TV or video games. The left is really taking that one step further and wants to eradicate the blemish of violence via nurturing. They believe we can rid society of violence simply by nurturing. Myself I think in order to rid society of violence it would require some serious genetic engineering and much of what the left spends their efforts on in the way of making children violent-less is a waste of time. The left is nearly fanatical in this pursuit ... it is a kin to fundamentalism in their absolute faith that all human woes can be cured via nurturing.
On the matter of sexuality and the left.. It seems they are more interested in proliferating it no matter what. Surely they can nurture children to be more sexual as the tendency is already present in human nature. This is a most effective tactic to break down morals with regards to sex and the traditional family. The welfare state loves too see wives leave their husbands. The more the traditional families/values are broken down the more the population goes to the state for financial assistance.. The breakdown of the traditional family is key to the creation of the egalitarian welfare state.
RM. Andersson
Newcomer
The worst of all are socialist feminists. They believe sex in any media such as games or movies are exampels of men exploiting women to make a profit. Thus they want to stop pictures of naked women completely.
Even ads that try to sell a product like a car with a beutiful woman standing next to it should be prohibited they think.
Music-videos with female artists that try to look sexy should be forbidden and so on.
Such socialist feminists are common in Europe. Thet want to stop both all violence and all sex in movies, games and anywhere.
If they had the chanse to rule a country it would make the soviet union look like a free society.
Even ads that try to sell a product like a car with a beutiful woman standing next to it should be prohibited they think.
Music-videos with female artists that try to look sexy should be forbidden and so on.
Such socialist feminists are common in Europe. Thet want to stop both all violence and all sex in movies, games and anywhere.
If they had the chanse to rule a country it would make the soviet union look like a free society.