Gamebryo 2.3 revealed, supports DX10, VSM and PhysX

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    Emergent Game Technology's middleware solution Gamebryo, which we presented in earlier articles (part 1, part 2), announced yesterday the release of the 2.3 version of its famous game engine.

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    Oh Elder Scrolls V, thee shall chunk more than ever.

    I hope that PhysX support isn't the end-all-be-all...Havok can still be used with this new version of Gamebryo, right?
     
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    Why?I`m guessing they`re using AGEIA's SDK(which is actually quite good, and free) instead of Havok's expensive one, not restricting physics to PhysX cards. There are a number of other devs doing this, without having any PhysX card exclusive/specific stuff in their software.
     
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    So...they're essentially using the PhysX libraries and coding it all to function happily on any old system, regardless of whether they have a PhysX card or not? Wouldn't this be far more performance costly than just sticking to Havok? Or are they fine tuning these PhysX libraries (or whatever you may call them) to be more performance-friendly than just a straight out PhysX-software solution?

    Just seems to me like Havok would still be the easier, and more widely compatible choice to go with.
     
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    The PhysX SDK covers more than the card, much more. For instance, Sony licensed it for the PS3 even I believe and that certainly does not have any PhysX hardware inside. The SDK should provide useful ways to cover both those with and without the add-in card and contain advanced physics in the game... hopefully. PhysX makes the SDK free because it widens the market greatly to their hardware (which I assume they make very large margins on).
     
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    The SDK is just like Havok's SDK(generally speaking). The dev chooses wheter or not he implements anything specific for PhysX cards.
     
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    Right...so, they're just strictly using PhysX libraries, or do they still use Havok too?

    It's just that you say they don't have to implement anything specifically for PhysX cards...which would mean if they chose to use nothing for PhysX at all (or PhysX-card only) then they would have to have a fallback physics platform (for those without PhysX cards), which I assume is still Havok, right?

    If not, then what i'm getting at is all of these (normally PhysX-only) libraries would have to be re-tooled to work with any old system irregardless of whether it has a PhysX card or not, and I was under the impression that would be extremely performance-costly.

    Am I way off the beaten path here? :razz: I'm just trying to work out if they've incorporated PhysX support just for those with PhysX cards, and if they are still using Havok for those without.
     
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    You don't need a PhysX card to use the PhysX libraries! There is no need for a "fallback" because the PhysX SDK is a all around solution. There would be no need for Havok and therefore a reduction in costs and still (probably) the same amount if not MORE support all around. Not only do you have the free SDK that provides in areas for those without a PhysX card but also provides for those with. It is a better solution I would assume and a much cheaper one.
     
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    QFT. But this also shows what proper marketing can achieve for a firm:for the consumer, physics=Havok. Kudos to them for that.
     
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    Yeah allright calm down, sheesh.

    I was just under the impression that a PhysX based physics solution required a PhysX card to perform optimally. I wasn't aware that it was also designed to just do run-of-the-mill average physics work like Havok right off the bat.
     
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    What makes you think I am not calm?My respect for Havok marketing was not an attempt at irony, it was sincere appreciation.

    Run-of-the mill average physics like Havok right off the bat-see, that`s exactly what I`m talking about!When ppl read Havok they go:eek:oomph, rag-doll, physics, coool!When they read Ageia, they go:crap expensive card, no good etc. That`s why I think Ageia flopped in their approach, and they should`ve pushed their SDK harder to the forefront, instead of trying to push the PhysX cards. If they would`ve achieved considerable recognition as a Physics solution provider, the card would`ve had a far easier life, IMHO.
     
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