French vandalize graves of those who bled to liberate it

Heh we should put the french on trial for crimes against the u.n They've already f'd up many laws and they are the ones that want the oil from iraq. Thats why they don't want a war.
 
I heard that there is a couple of representatives, who want to create a fund to repatriate(sp?) the bodies of those who died overseas. Not sure how I feel about it, but I know that currently the french are insulting those who died to free them.

BTW does anyone know how many french died in the US during the revolution helping the US.

later,
 
DemoCoder said:
The disgusting story

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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French man said:
Another claimed the graves were "contaminating" French soil.

:cry:
 
How soon people forget... should have let Hitler have them, which, quite ironically, is what they want appearent.

That was my thought as well reading the news article.

I think those uneducated a-holes should re-live history. That would teach them.
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
I think those uneducated a-holes should re-live history. That would teach them.

The French never learn from history. It's part of their nature, it's what makes them French. Unlike the Germans they've never fully come to terms with their role in WW2 (capitulation and collaboration). They try to hide it by shouting loudly about other things. Churchill knew this, which is why he viewed the relationship with America as much more important than the relationship with the French. How right he was.
 
Of course, its only a few people who did this, not the french in general.

I am disturbed, however, that 30 percent of a western nation would prefer that Saddam's regime win against another western nation who's stated goal is to instill a democratic way of life.
 
RussSchultz said:
Of course, its only a few people who did this, not the french in general.

I am disturbed, however, that 30 percent of a western nation would prefer that Saddam's regime win against another western nation who's stated goal is to instill a democratic way of life.

That was the disturbing thing I got from the article. It's likely of course that the question was phrased in such a way that the 25% is more of an anti-war vote rather than an outright "I want to see Saddam win" vote. I'd be shocked if 1 in 4 of the French actively want the coalition forces to be defeated.
 
While it is only a few that have done this Russ I believe it is indicative of the overall left wing Socialist destain for anything US. I believe that this overall destain is a result of misinformation being spread with regards to the US by left wing mentalities over the course of years.

The constant diatribe against the US Democracy and Capitalism coming from left wing social activist amounts to shameful acts like this. The French are becoming more and more left wing. The 30% calculation of French population hoping that Saddam wins the war is a sad indicator of just how far gone that bias has become.

It is almost unbelievable that the French would rather Saddam win the war..... it runs contrary to most of Western values. The problem here though is that I believe that the left wing bias is so bad that they must actually do believe the US is absolutely nothing but evil capitalist. I can't for the life of me understand their rational surely in any sort of intellectual argument such as stance would fail miserably. Guess that speaks volumes about education in France.
 
Sabastian said:
While it is only a few that have done this Russ I believe it is indicative of the overall left wing Socialist destain for anything US. I believe that this overall destain is a result of misinformation being spread with regards to the US by left wing mentalities over the course of years.
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The French are becoming more and more left wing.

I could have sworn that the political shift in France has been towards the far-right and in particular Jean-Marie Le Pen. There was certainly a lot of argument about it during their last presidential elections. Seems a bit of a cheap shot to try and blame and of this on left wing socialists.
 
Please remember the french did not do this, some french people did.

There are many jerks in the US that would do and do, do many things that I am ashamed of but the US did not do them, the people did.
 
Those boys buried over there gave their lives for the Franch. They didn't die for the US, Hitler never would have made it over here. They died for FRENCH freedom. And they have the unmitigated gall to dare to trash their graves?

If they don't want to buy Coke, serve hot dogs, or fly the American flag, that's fine. To disrespect those who not only gave them their freedom, but are not even here today because of their efforts, that's something completely intolerable. I think that if the apology issued by the French government was serious, then they should find whoever did this and prosecute them to the fullest extent of their laws...hmm...anyone know the laws on vandalism in France??
 
No, but I don't think it would probably be much more than community service or a short jail term. Disgusting really.

Sad, but you are probably correct. Here in the US they could be tried for vandalism, hate crimes, defacing public property, defacing a national monument (both of which are far more serious crimes than vandalizing private property)....and the prosecution could probably trump a few more up ;) Not saying that trumping up charges is good, but I think that those people resonsible should be seriously punished. Imagine what this country's reaction would be if someone painted "Sharon must die" on the Statue of Liberty...

Hell, with 30% of the population over there praying for Saddam's victory, the punks are probably being revered as heros.
 
I agree with Sxotty, these are a "few" french people, not the entire country.

Plus, I myself hope sadam wins... Personally, I think maybe that will stop the USA from interfering with other countries affairs. I mean, in the past dictatorships are resolved naturally and by the people. I think Iraq needs to be left well enough alone for it to solve its own problems, and perhaps, in the future evolve politically.
 
8ender said:
I agree with Sxotty, these are a "few" french people, not the entire country.

Plus, I myself hope sadam wins... Personally, I think maybe that will stop the USA from interfering with other countries affairs.

Interfering with other countries affairs? Newsflash: we all live on the same planet; the affairs of one country affect other countries as well. We can let Saddam murder his own people and continue to develop weapons of mass destruction until we have another cold war, or worse, multiple attacks on the U.S., Israel, Australia, the U.K., etc. by terrorist organizations using those WMDs. Or, we can stop him and maintain a decent level of relative peace in the world, where noboby, including us, has to fear that happening.

Or don't you care about living in fear?

8ender said:
I mean, in the past dictatorships are resolved naturally and by the people.

Which dictatorships were those? The English monarchy? The Nazi party? Milosevic in Yugoslavia? The Taliban in Afghanistan? The Central American nations where the CIA basically orchestrated the overthrow and armed the militias?

8ender said:
I think Iraq needs to be left well enough alone for it to solve its own problems, and perhaps, in the future evolve politically.

:LOL:
 
8ender said:
I mean, in the past dictatorships are resolved naturally and by the people. .

Naturally? At the beginning of the 20th century, the number of democracies that existed in the entire world could be counted on 1 hand. In world history, that number fit on two hands.

That means for most of recorded history, people were unable to overthrow tyrants, kings, or emperors. The only time governments changed was because of death of the ruler, assassination, being conquered by a neighboring state, or a military junta.

Even in the 20th century, this was true, and revolution by the people was the rare exception, not the rule. Most of the new democracies in this world were set up by colonialists after they abandoned their colonies, they were not revolutions against tyrants.

Of those "people's revolutions" that overthrew tyrants this century, they succeeded against governments that did not have Orwellian police state apparatus, or against governments that were crumbling anyway.

The idea that the average Iraqis or North Koreans for that matter could "rise up" is quite ludicrous. You can't "rise up" against a Stalin-type tyrant, because he will commit genocide to put down the rebellion and popular uprising.

Anti-guerilla technique is quite simple: You simply kill or deport *EVERYONE* in a city that is rebelling, instead of trying to find guerillas.


If you're trying to extrapolate the French or Communist revolutions to the 21st century, forget it. Modern weapons and technologies makes it far easier to repress. It's getting harder to rise against tyrants, not easier. And today's tyrants have the hindsight of history. Saddam learned from Stalin. Stalin ruled by fear. Saddam rules with the carrot and the stick.
 
The French couldn't possibly apprehend or punish the people responsible as it would completely contradict their current media propaganda blitz of anti-American/UK, pro-Saddam ideals that they have expended massive funding putting into place.

They are on this crusade and will have to stick with it until the bitter end. This is, unfortunately, only the introductory signs of what the government in France is putting into place. Turkey is getting pulled and pushed into this little game as well and will be the first victim of this EU power struggle. The people of France will be the second casualty in this media blitz.
 
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