Formula 1 - 2022 Season

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  1. Arwin

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    Still it is awesome that the cars can drive close behind each other. But Ferrari are suffering from the lack of top speed a bit, and mostly still from more tire wear (from presumably more downforce which does make them fast in the turns).

    And awesome top 5 steal again by Russel. Very well played, starting from 12th.
     
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    Funny, It Worked Last Time...
    we also saw some good moves by hamilton and at last a good late breaking move by danny ric, but overall mclaren were terrible today
    bottas is doing very well, nice to see him blossom in another team

    sainz needs to up his game
    perez needs red bull to have a less unreliable car

    alonso must have had abu dhabi 2012 flash backs being stuck behind gasly for 10000 laps - the pain is real :(
     
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    No, he should stay at Red Bull
     
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    If the only problem is the floor is flexing too much it seems like somebody forgot to apply some "basic" maths. 10+ years ago they could already make their wings in such a way they would flex only under certain loads so I find it hard to believe somebody didn't do the math on a large exposed piece of floor to calculate how much it would flex when under a certain load.

    Also why not simply reinforce the floor and see if that fixes the bouncing and unleashes some of the speed they claim there is? Of course the extra weight will have a impact on performance but if they can confirm that is the problem than losing weight elsewhere might be an easier fix.
     
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    I noticed Max's Red Bull bouncing at the end of the race. I didn't notice it earlier in the race, like at the end of their first stint, so maybe it isn't simply due to losing tire tread depth. If the tarmac was as abrasive as was reported, maybe some of the floor (e.g., the slotted metal fin/vane shown in that B Sport vid) could have worn enough to lower the car into bouncing range?

    I don't know how the cost cap affects people. Red Bull's previous modus operandi was to bring reams of test parts and spares to practically every race, tossing a lot of them into the bin afterwards. Presumably Merc and Ferrari did the same. Ferrari says their first real updates will be in Barcelona. Is that because building new parts is that expensive (and they've had to replace a few because of Carlos), or is the bottleneck windtunnel testing the new parts? Do they even have to run everything through the windtunnel before putting it on the car, or is "just" computer analysis enough for some parts?

    I'd say the Merc and Williams may have more unsupported wing than other teams because of their smaller sidepods, but Haas and Ferrari also bounce, so is it just too flappy a wing or is it something else?
     
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    I thought greater downforce meant less tire wear (scrub) in the corners?
     
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    If I understand the physics correctly then sideways movement in turns is the same no matter the downforce as you would never want to start sliding sideways, as that would lose speed.

    Now with more downforce, you have more downward pressure which allows you to go faster before you slide. But this increases both the downward and sideways pressure on the tires, while still not sliding. And that would normally increase the tire wear.

    If that makes sense …
     
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    Spanish GP: Lewis Hamilton 'super happy' with Mercedes progress as Charles Leclerc tops practice - BBC Sport
     
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    I’m still trying to figure out why Max’s RB was visibly porpoising down the back straight in Miami toward the end of the race, after the safety car restart. They were much lighter because low fuel. Did that mean they carried more speed through the bus stop highway overpass chicane onto the straight and thus reached a higher speed? I don’t remember seeing it on the front straight, which I believe was at least as long, so was it induced by bumps in the road? Their tires may have been worn. Did they wear enough to affect their ride height? If that were the case, why didn’t I notice it at the end of the first stint? Maybe because the TV coverage was crap (that includes Crofty, who couldn’t tell teammates apart).
     
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    That race was half rollercoaster, half typical Barcelona. Wacky. I’m assuming Carlos lost more time than Max with his off, because their end results diverged enough to make me question Ferrari’s race pace (though Charles seems to think they’ve improved). Shame about the Mercs overheating, because I’d like to have seen the Russell tussle go on another ten laps. Seems like unusually large tire differences, so much so that the hards weren’t worth it on a 30°C air temp day and presumably 50° track temp day. Maybe new softs being 2s a lap faster than used mediums isn’t that wild, but it seemed like a lot.

    Joe’s green notebook from Miami was a good, long read. I also found a potentially interesting race stats blog via a Driver61 YouTube vid: https://f1pace.com/
     
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