Formula 1 - 2018 Season

[Kaotik]

It's been like this for decades. Williams, McLaren, Ferrari, red bull, Mercedes all had periods of dominance. At least this year it looks like there are 2 ~ 3 competitive teams. The mid field looks close too.

Football isn't any different. Every year you got the same handful of teams in the finals.

Stability in rules and aero that actually allows cars to follow and pass is what's needed.

Red Bull "dominance" never actually happened the way people talk about it.
Yes, Vettel and Red Bull won 4 championships each, but only 2 of them (each) were dominating victories and they weren't even on subsequent years:
2010 - Vettel wins by only 4 points
2011 - Dominating year - Vettel wins by 122 points
2012 - Vettel wins by only 3 points
2013 - Dominating year - Vettel wins by 155 points
Similar trend in constructors championship, 2010 & 2012 were tight, 2011 & 2013 were Red Bull dominating

 

[zed]

Football isn't any different. Every year you got the same handful of teams in the finals.

Oh but it is very different, eg current world cup odds (since most of the football comps seasons are nearly over)

1 Germany 5.00
2 France 6.50
3 Brazil 5.50
4 Spain 7.00
5 Argentina 10.00
7 Belgium 12.00
8 England 15.00
9 Portugal 21.00
10 Colombia 31.00
11 Russia 31.00
14 Uruguay 26.00
15 Croatia 31.00
16 Mexico 81.00
18 Switzerland 81.00
19 Poland 41.00
21 Sweden 81.00
23 Japan 251.00
24 Serbia 151.00
25 Denmark 81.00
28 Nigeria 151.00
36 South Korea 301.00
38 Costa Rica 301.00
39 Australia 301.00
41 Iran 301.00
42 Iceland 201.00
43 Saudi Arabia 501.00
44 Egypt 151.00
46 Peru 151.00
47 Panama 501.00
50 Morocco 301.00
51 Tunisia 501.00
52 Senegal 126.00

saudi arabia, australia, iran etc have better odds of winning than a lot of the F1 ppl!

How the fuck does a motor sport team have worse odds than any of these football teams, in motorsport anything can happen in a race, crashes,car problems etc thats something that doesnt happen in football, eg half the german team players are not suddenly gonna break their legs during a game

heres the current F1 odds

1 Lewis Hamilton 1.60
2 Sebastian Vettel 3.00
3 Max Verstappen 21.00
4 Daniel Ricciardo 21.00
5 Valtteri Bottas 13.00
6 Fernando Alonso 251.00
7 Kimi Raikkonen 21.00
8 Nico Hulkenberg 401.00
9 Carlos Sainz 401.00
10 Stoffel Vandoorne 501.00
11 Esteban Ocon 2,001.00
12 Sergio Perez 2,001.00
13 Romain Grosjean 401.00
14 Kevin Magnussen 501.00
15 Pierre Gasly 501.00
16 Brendon Hartley 1,501.00
17 Lance Stroll 2,001.00

 

[zed]

I just had a look back over the years to see if F1 was always so lopsided and yes, in fact it was worse!

60s-2000 most cars wouldnt finish & those that did apart from the 1-3 frontrunners would often be multiple laps behind more than 5 laps behind even,
2000- the field is far more close with more finishers and those that finish are no more than 1 lap behind generally

 

[Pete]

Curious that everyone (that I read) is reporting that Ferrari switched to the one stop strategy because of Mercedes doing so. I thought they were forced into it because of the accident.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Oh but it is very different, eg current world cup odds (since most of the football comps seasons are nearly over)

saudi arabia, australia, iran etc have better odds of winning than a lot of the F1 ppl!

How the fuck does a motor sport team have worse odds than any of these football teams, in motorsport anything can happen in a race, crashes,car problems etc thats something that doesnt happen in football, eg half the german team players are not suddenly gonna break their legs during a game

That's a retarded comparison. Winning a World Cup has a ton of chance involved, have bad luck in one game and it's all over. F1 season is 21 races, long enough to rule luck out of the equation in pretty much all cases. National teams just are more even than club teams, because buying the best players doesn't really happen. Try look pre season what type of odds Bayer Munich, Barcelona or Juventus are getting, those will be a lot smaller than at World Cup.

 

[Kaotik]

Curious that everyone (that I read) is reporting that Ferrari switched to the one stop strategy because of Mercedes doing so. I thought they were forced into it because of the accident.

Huh? The teams have enough manpower to do pitstops even if more than one would get hurt, I'm sure.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Oh but it is very different, eg current world cup odds (since most of the football comps seasons are nearly over)

Comparing odds is stupid and pointless. Whether your odds are 300 or 30.000 to one how big is the Chance of Iran winning the world cup? Have you ever looked at the countries that won the world cup? You know that ever since the first world cup was held only 8 different countries won? The Netherlands must have had pretty good odds of winning for decades, yet they never did.

If you look at F1 wold champions at a 4 year interval there is basically a different winner every time.

Its not that different if you compare with for example the Champions League. There have been 11 different winners in the past 20 years. In the past 20 years there have been 7 different F1 world champions and that includes Ferrari's long winning streak. A quick count shows 24 different race winners over the past 20 years.

 

[entity279]

Curious that everyone (that I read) is reporting that Ferrari switched to the one stop strategy because of Mercedes doing so. I thought they were forced into it because of the accident.

Vettel even said so.

 

[cjo]

Curious that everyone (that I read) is reporting that Ferrari switched to the one stop strategy because of Mercedes doing so. I thought they were forced into it because of the accident.

Huh? The teams have enough manpower to do pitstops even if more than one would get hurt, I'm sure.

I thought I heard that they basically weren't sure what to do because of Mercedes strategy. It looked unlikely that Vettel would make it to the end of the race on that set, but it looked more unlikely that Vettel would have been able to make up 20+ seconds even on a new set of tyres and pass both Mercs. Interviews had Vettel saying that he thought that it was checkmate by Mercedes when they switched to medium tyres. If Mercedes hadn't done that and needed to pit again, Vettel would have also pitted for new tyres later in the race, as he wouldn't have a 20+ second deficit to make up.

I think the Kimi incident occurred during the period it would have been optimal for Vettel to pit for new tyres given the time he would have had to claw back. This would have pushed them further towards one-stopping.

 

[Pete]

Huh? The teams have enough manpower to do pitstops even if more than one would get hurt, I'm sure.

They may have the manpower, but the stricken mechanic was lying in the pit box for a while, wasn't he? Beyond a certain point, Vettel doesn't have the time to come back at Mercedes even with fresher, faster tires. And even if they were able to move the guy, who knows what frame of mind the rest of the crew is in. You'd probably have to factor in a longer than usual pit stop (for emotional and safety reasons).

I know these guys are pros, but it looked like a terrible accident. Haas rotated their guys in Bahrain to avoid added pressure, and all they did was fail to tighten a wheel nut.

 

[zed]

Its not that different if you compare with for example the Champions League.

Actually yes it is, Mate I've been doing sports betting seriously for over a decade
here were the odds before the start of the group stage

Man City (ENG) 4.10
PSG (FRA) 6.10
Bayern Munich (GER) 6.10
Barcelona (SPA) 8.00
Real Madrid (SPA) 8.50
Man United (ENG) 16.00
Liverpool (ENG) 16.00
Juventus (ITA) 21.00
Tottenham (ENG) 25.00
Chelsea (ENG) 31.00
Roma (ITA) 41.00
Shaktar Donetsk (UKR) 126.00
Sevilla (SPA) 151.00
Porto (POR) 151.00
Besiktas (TUR) 201.00
Basel (SUI) 451.00

you can easily see its a lot more even, far more balanced than the F1 odds
perhaps you want me to plot them on a graph and you'll see visually they ain't anywhere near comparable

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Did you make a lot of money with it?

Great that your odds are much more even for football but they don't mean anything if you don't consider real world results. The real world results are a few teams winning over and over again. If you compare those results with F1 they really aren't that much worse for F1, certainly not to the extent your odds would suggest.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Actually yes it is, Mate I've been doing sports betting seriously for over a decade
here were the odds before the start of the group stage

Man City (ENG) 4.10
PSG (FRA) 6.10
Bayern Munich (GER) 6.10
Barcelona (SPA) 8.00
Real Madrid (SPA) 8.50
Man United (ENG) 16.00
Liverpool (ENG) 16.00
Juventus (ITA) 21.00
Tottenham (ENG) 25.00
Chelsea (ENG) 31.00
Roma (ITA) 41.00
Shaktar Donetsk (UKR) 126.00
Sevilla (SPA) 151.00
Porto (POR) 151.00
Besiktas (TUR) 201.00
Basel (SUI) 451.00

you can easily see its a lot more even, far more balanced than the F1 odds
perhaps you want me to plot them on a graph and you'll see visually they ain't anywhere near comparable

A cup is very different in nature, due to getting dropped out of the competition with a loss. Check out these odd for the favourites in league European football.

https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/2017-18-odds-to-win-la-liga-serie-a-bundesliga-and-ligue-1/

 

[zed]

A cup is very different in nature, due to getting dropped out of the competition with a loss. Check out these odd for the favourites in league European football.

https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/2017-18-odds-to-win-la-liga-serie-a-bundesliga-and-ligue-1/

OK fair enuf those do resemble the F1 odds more, still not as lopsided as the F1 odds but I'll grant you its closer than the championsleague odds I posted

Chinese Grand Prix race winner odds

1 Lewis Hamilton 1.65
2 Sebastian Vettel 3.50
3 Valtteri Bottas 9.00
4 Max Verstappen 17.00
5 Daniel Ricciardo 17.00
6 Kimi Raikkonen 13.00
7 Fernando Alonso 301.00
8 Nico Hulkenberg 1,001.00
9 Carlos Sainz 1,001.00
10 Kevin Magnussen 501.00
11 Romain Grosjean 501.00
12 Stoffel Vandoorne 1,001.00
13 Pierre Gasly 1,001.00
14 Brendon Hartley 1,001.00
15 Esteban Ocon 2,001.00
16 Sergio Perez 2,001.00
17 Lance Stroll 3,001.00
18 Sergey Sirotkin 3,001.00
19 Charles Leclerc 3,001.00
20 Marcus Ericsson 3,001.00

So over half the drivers are given no chance to win the race, crazy as unlike football etc a race can end prematurely cause motor or driver errors

stuck some cash on top10, Kevin Magnussen, Marcus Ericsson and red bull to retire first

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Verstappen cocked up that one. Could have just waited another corner or two.

 

[Kaotik]

Verstappen cocked up that one. Could have just waited another corner or two.

Even Red Bull is getting tired of his bs. He has no place in F1, try Destruction Derby.

Though then again, Vettel & Ferrari did all they could to ruin Kimi's race, so something good in it it..

 

[entity279]

Well Ferrari ruined one race for Vettel and two for Kimi, all in the space of one GP

 

[Lightman]

Lisa Su from AMD as first random interview on Martin's Grid Walk! Sky Sports F1

 

[Billy Idol]

Verstappen could have destroyed Vettel’s championship today.

Every point counts at the end.

Can’t watch F1 anymore these days...bs like a soap opera.

 

[entity279]

Verstappen could have destroyed Vettel’s championship today.

Every point counts at the end.

Can’t watch F1 anymore these days...bs like a soap opera.

Your preference. I love it !

Lisa Su from AMD as first random interview on Martin's Grid Walk! Sky Sports F1

Yeah.. random hardly qualifies for her