Final Doom3 benches at HardOCP

You're a mod?!?? When did that happen?!?!?



Oh, and "GULP!"

 

What I see is this, Kyle played Doom 3 on a 3 generation old low end product, and it played well. The settings can be the lowest quality and NV Control Panel could have been set to strickly Performance. To me, that says it can't be too damn demanding if that videocard can perform.

When I suggested the same videocard Kyle used was unable to play BF:V well (Knowing they are different engines and different API's), it tells me it is more the game (Battlefield Veitnam) than the videocard.

With the results thus far of the X800's performance on Doom 3, I think it is safe to say it isn't Doom 3 that has the problem, it's ATi's problem. I would think that with all the time/money they saved using R3xx tech, they really should have been able to bring those numbers a lot closer to nVidia's numbers.

Especially for what they are charging the consumer. The same thing was said of the NV3x series and it's DX9 performance.

Don't know if that helped ya see where I'm coming from at all, suppose I can just pm you instead of taking anymore of this threads time.

 

That's not the only NPC, if that's what you mean.

And talking to NPCs, and cutscenes. Any other ways to convey story?

If SS rocked (and IMO it did, I'm a SS fan myself), all the similarities you bring up should actually make you more predisposed to like D3, no?

And that's what I'm replying to:

I read that as you expect D3's shaders to use up very little pixel %. That JC paraphrasing shows in some levels almost all pixels have them. Considering he talks about 'character' (i.e. eye-candy) I don't think he's talking about the general surface light interaction shader.

Considering Robert Duffy's comments regarding their new .vfp file format and that they included Cg in the engine, I expect many shaders in their material sub-system. AFAIK, you don't need a HLSL if all you're going to have is a small bunch of similar shaders.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth , the review mentioned only one NPC thats it. Perhaps I am wrong, I will read it again tonight and provide an update.

 

Oh, I think I already did see where you are coming from......I just don't see the logic of it.... I think your bias is coloring your thought processes here.

 

No, you read that backwards.

 

Your right I am bias, but you are also wrong.

I love my money more than I love nVidia or ATi. If you don't feel the same, I pity you.

 

Well . If the geforce 4 mx plays it well why bother ? Nividia is also ripping you off if thier cards are only performing a bit better than ati's card .

Should nvidia cards be cheaper because ati performs much better than them in farcry ?

What you have been spewing from your mouth is just crap. 20% diffrence is not the end of the world. I fully expect that ati can make up at least half of that and bring the diffrence to what i expected all the time . 10%

 

I didn't. That's why I said "...if that's what you mean".

I didn't say you were wrong. You gave the impression (to me anyway) that the game would only have one NPC. I replied saying that NPC pc gamer mentions is not the only one in the game.

 

I actually own some both....... Right now I have 6800GT, 6800, 2-GF4-4200TI's, an 9800Pro and an 8500AWI. I plan on picking up a X800 in the near future...... I understand your comment on money, but I've also seen your posts ot NVNews....... and, still, none of this give credence to your statement on just how a GFMX playing a game with no other info has anything to do with an X800 on a benchmark.......

 

What does money have to do with video cards?

 

What is the expected gain between generations of videocards? People expect 10 to 20 percent better performance than a previous generation to justify purchasing the latest and greatest, at least 10%.

So ya, it does make a difference and it is a big deal.

 

I would take alot of the pre-hype benchmarks with a grain of salt, on the 5900 launch Nvidia arrived with their own DEMO to be used of Doom 3, ATI was not even aware of it...so which IHV has been doing the most 'tweaking'. I don't want to hear Nvidias superior driver BS either, as one look on Nvnews shows 'it ain't all that'. Far Cry is a classic example of what 'might' be happening on Doom 3 and different code paths, but since Doom 3 really doesn't need any higher range than PS 1.4, may be moot.

When the game is released and we have a fair comparison, meaning IQ, same CPU, resolution and some driver updates (especially ATI since ID gave them a cold shoulder) I am sure we will see a much closer race.

 

Malfunction, do you understand the term "circle logic"? You are making absolutely no sense here...... You cannot compare the game to the benchmark..... you can compare the game on one card to the game on another, or you can compare the benchmark of one card to the benchmark on another card........ Your comparing apples to basketballs........

 

Well, I shall wait for Dave or whomever will be benchmarking this game on equal systems then, I only hope those percentages fall below 10%.

Fair enough?

 

Really ? I saw 2 and a half times the performance in most cases not 10% .

Where is this fud coming from ?

THe geforce 4 mx gives u playable framerates at a lower res and quality setting .


The x800xt gives you a bit lower than 6800ultra framerates at a much higher quality setting and res with fsaa and aniso.

So even if the x800xt gives u the same framerate as the geforce 4 mx it will be at a higher res , aniso , fsaa , and higher quality setting.

Which is exactly what the geforce 6800s offer over the geforce 4 mx .


So by your logic if its a waste to buy a x800xt pe than it is also a waste to buy any 6800 . Because for you the increases res , fsaa , aniso , image quality setting doesn't justify the cost as long as the framerates are the same .

 

Works for me.......

 

Wait a minute, I thought earlier in the thread you worked for him now?

 

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