Fan quit, is the card bad?

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  1. AzBat

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    LOL, well, if it was me, I would probably go with a refurbished one. My friend isn't real computer knowledgable, but wants the best he can get for the $100 or so he's going to spend. And I feel he would feel more comfortable getting a retail box and a year warranty.

    Looks like I'll probably with the Sapphire you suggest.

    Thanks for the help guys!

    Tommy McClain
     
    #21 AzBat, Jan 19, 2005
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    I've occassionally jumped on some NewEgg refurb deals. I've never had any bad luck with the following refurbed items: ATI 9700 Pro, ATI 9800 nonPro, ATI 9600 nonPro, WD Raptor SATA drives, AMD Barton 2400+/2500+ CPUs, and two AMD SFF systems. The SFF systems came with everything the retail package does, nothing was missing at all. The rest were identical to the OEM packages. If I wasn't going to upgrade to an entirely new PCI-Express system, I'd have jumped on a few of the ATI X800 XT VIVO refurbs they had listed a few times.

    As it is now, NewEgg has been so great that it's the first place I shop at.
     
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    AzBat,

    My guess is your card might be fine. If adding a box fan made it run better even with no heatsink, then I bet it would work fine if you put the heatsink on and directed a 80mm fan on it. Having no heatsink on it at all really hurts the heat transfer even if you have a 21' box fan.

    Just a thought,
    Dr. Ffreeze

    PS. I have had many CPUs, northbridges, and video cards die on me at work. They can be fixed quite easy with adequate cooling, most of the time. =)

    PS. Well, unless you let the magic smoke out....
     
    #23 Dr. Ffreeze, Jan 20, 2005
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    I totally understand where you are coming from. I truly do. However, if a 21" box fan can't keep it cool, then how's a the small a heatsink and fan(37mm) like the one that was on it going to keep it cool? It shouldn't need a 80mm fan blowing on it. So that tells me there's something wrong with it. Plus, his problems didn't just happen overnight. Evidently the 3D problems has been happening for at least months. Going that long without a fan had to have some kind of physical effect on it.

    Anyway, there's no sense wasting an online purchase for $15-$25 to replace the fan when we're not sure it will fix it. If it doesn't work we would have to ship it back for a refund or possibly eat it. Might as well spend the $15-$25 on a new card. Which is what we did.

    Today we ordered the Saphire Radeon 9600 Pro Atlantis with 128mb at NewEgg.com for $107US including shipping. It should get here early next week.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #24 AzBat, Jan 20, 2005
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    I've bought a fair amount of Referb stuff from Newegg.....and most has worked fine - just got a Saphire 9600XT referb for $104.... and it works great! But it is still a crap shoot and IF you have a problem.... well, I'd probably go for the new Rosewell 9600XT.... and pay the extra $5 for Neweggs added warranty.... they are great about taking care of you if you have a problem......
     
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    AzBat, cooling is a tricky topic. Heatsink is needed to spread the heat to a bigger surface which can be cooled more effectively. If the surface is very small (chip without a heatsink), it's not possible for the cooler to lead off the heat, since the area being cooled is too small and thus slow in dissipating heat from the inside of the chip into the air. That's why we need heatsinks, since the area being cooled gets 10-100 times bigger. It's also always a material which must conduct heat very well.
     
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    Heads up. Some of the Sapphire 9600pro’s 128MB Atlantis cards are actually the … “Advantage” … version which is clocked 400/223 DDR. By looking at the newegg pictures of the PCB layout you can tell they’re basically a 9600 with a heatsink-fan setup instead of just a plain heatsink. That’s better than a 9600 128MB - 325/200 DDR … but less than a the standard 9600pro 128MB - 400/300 DDR.

    Both these Sapphire 9600pro’s are the “Advantage” version …

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-471&depa=0
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-410&depa=0

    Newegg likely has the memory clocks wrong. I would probably go for the MSI 9600pro …

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-152&depa=0

    From what I can tell it’s 400/300 DDR and $104.
     
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    It's too late, I already bought the card two days ago, but thanks for the info anyways.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #29 AzBat, Jan 21, 2005
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    Which one did you end up getting?
     
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    From above...

    This matches to the following card...

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-409&depa=0

    This is probably exact same card as the one Blastman listed, but it's 128mb instead of 256MB.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #31 AzBat, Jan 21, 2005
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    it may be too late, but if i read this correctly, you had a big fan blowing on it, BUT you had the heatsink/fan off of the card.

    This is NOT what was meant - you need to leave the heatsink on the fan for this....the extra surface area is critical.
     
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    I tried it later with the heatsink on too, same problem. It's toast.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #33 AzBat, Jan 21, 2005
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    Funny Thought,

    Just for grins, take off your CPU heatsink/fan and put a 21" boxfan 'on' your case. I bet it won't work too well. =)

    Dr. Ffreeze

    PS. No fair if your CPU throttles! =p
     
    #34 Dr. Ffreeze, Jan 21, 2005
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    :) I agree it wouldn't work. No sense in trying it.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #35 AzBat, Jan 21, 2005
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    Actually i think you toasted it while doing that no HS experiment. Running a Card with defective fan is one thing. Running it completely without heatsink is an almost save bet to murder the card.
     
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    Possibly. But I was able to get it working better in 3D games after the removal of the heatsink. Though it still acted like a toasted card.

    Tommy McClain
     
    #37 AzBat, Jan 22, 2005
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    Didn't read all the posts, but many companies have lifetime warranties, you should contact the maker of the card to see if you can take advantage of it if something is going wrong.
     
    #38 Fox5, Jan 22, 2005
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    Better don't point them to this thread tough or the answer will be:
    You gotta be friggin kidding!
    :lol:
     
    #39 mustrum, Jan 23, 2005
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    I have a feeling that ati wouldn't honor the warranty for my 9700 pro with vga silencer.
     
    #40 Fox5, Jan 23, 2005
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