DX12 Benchmarks are out, time to trade in the 970?

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  1. TomRL

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    The new DX12 benchmarks have the AMD R9 290 almost matching the GTX 980 TI in performance. It seems like I made a bad decision. I bought the 970 because it was a comparable price to the R9 290 and performed a bit better. Then the R9 390 came out with over double the ram and a bit better performance. And now the DX12 benchmarks have Nvidia getting rekt by AMD counterparts on the GPU side.

    I could sell my 970 on Ebay for about £240-250 and then buy the AMD r9 390 for about £270 on Ebuyer. Even if the DX12 benchmarks only show a significant gain for AMD in one particular game, it's still worth trading in the 970 for the 390 while paying £30 extra right? I mean it has double the VRAM.

    It might seem hasty, but I'm thinking the 970's might not re-sell very well if pc gamers become aware that it isn't very future-proof.
     
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    That seems like an extremely premature conclusion considering this is a single example using beta game code that's probably unrepresentative of your typical DX12 game (in workload terms) and using non final drivers. On the other hand, if the double memory is worth the extra £30 to you anyway, then you can't really go wrong.
     
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    I don't know, would it be worth it for the 8gb? How important is that going to be? Also the R9 390 is faster than the 970 even on DX11.
     
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    4GB has proven to show it's limitations in some corner cases and I've no doubt they will become more prevalent over the next few years so there's certainly a benefit to be had. The extent of that benefit is debatable though. But yes, with the extra general performance it might be worth making the swap anyway. I doubt this DX12 performance gulf between the two IHV's will carry through to normal games but there's always a chance and if it does then you'll have obviously made a smart move. Assuming you intend to keep the GPU for the 2-3 years it's going to take to start seeing reasonable numbers of DX12 games of course.
     
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    Ok thanks. I wouldn't have considered it unless the GPU offered me a few minor upgrades in DX11 as well.
     
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    That's a good question to ask once DX12 benchmarks are actually out.
     
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    But when the real world DX12 benchmark are out and 970 is outclassed by R9 390 by a lot, then 970 2nd hand price may plummet. Hopefully not... hopefully it's just the driver.
     
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    I did not expect such a premature thread on dx12 performance "conclusions" here already.
     
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    It's too early to conclude anything. All the isolated performance previews didn't try to compare within hardware stacks, and some of the conclusions you can draw after mushing them together don't make much sense.
    If all the tests are thrown together, there's no clear gain beyond 4 Intel cores, and no wide margin between the 980, 980 Ti, 290, 390, and Fury X. Since Nvidia's DX12 performance is a tick below its DX11 in a number of cases, you can go to the next conclusion that DX11 is the same as DX12, so I don't think anything is settled.

    The only clear results are that you shouldn't get anything below an Intel quad core, and don't get AMD for DX11 or CPU.
     
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    People come here to moan about pre-mature conclusions without actually commenting on the substance of the thread, which is buying advice. I've made it clear that the one benchmark doesn't mean everything, so can we get on with it.
     
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    We can't answer your question precisely because of the premature nature of things. We don't have crystal balls.
     
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    Just shiny ray-traced ones. :yep2:
     
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    You should do it.
    You correctly identified that the 390 has double the VRAM. Which is very important.
    As you say, cards that get rekt and have only 4GB of VRAM aren't very future-proof. And AMD knows this.
    You've made the calculation and the math checks out. Now you should follow through.
    I think it's great that the 390 is getting some sales.
     
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    Btw, can someone benchmark the power consumption on DX12 and if can, compare it to the same game/benchmark app in DX11?
     
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    @TomRL
    R290 is a pretty nice GPU, if a bit power hungry (although as a high-end gaming enthusiast, this should not be #1 on your list of priorities anyway). R390 is nicer still (not sure about its power usage compared to its predecessor though, but again - who the eff really cares, right?! :mrgreen:)

    Still, I wouldn't run out and buy a whole new GPU over some very sketchy benchmark figures cooked up with early drivers. It's too soon for that.

    Of course, if you're made of money, then why the hell not. Just Do It, if that's what you desire; you're a grown man, or so I assume anyway. You can buy whatever you want.
     
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    I'd only need to pay like £20-£30 providing this one sells. And I know these a pre-mature benchmarks, but I'm still pretty sure that AMD GPU's would be getting a bigger boost with DX12 since they are made for parallelism.
     
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    Frankly, the results from these sites so far do not support that, either. Mostly because the results don't make much sense.
    If you focus on the 290 catching the 980 Ti, sure, that seems huge.
    However, in the context of other reviews showing very close margins between all the cards from 290 through Fury and the 980 and 980 Ti, it's basically rolling dice.

    If the somewhat lateral move to the 390 does not affect the time window to a future GPU purchase with a more fully-featured DX12 GPU at the 16nm generation or later, then whatever.
    Otherwise, I would question whether either current non-halo GPU is going to buy you that much time over the other before they start to show their age against GPUs that will have the benefit of a manufacturing jump and time to implement the various DX12 feature tiers that current products implement somewhat inconsistently.
     
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    I haven't seen any evidence of that, and that forum post that seems to be doing the rounds presently certainly doesn't qualify as more than speculation based on what appears to be a faulty premise.
     
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    What exactly do you mean by this?
     
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