Detonator 44.61

why?
Is it fixed, or is the DETECTION fixed?

 

The fuss is about ethics...something alot of people need to learn. All the testing on this forum shows 5800 and down relies on FX 12 precision for speed, so when you claim 'why not let them optimize for 3Dmark'..because FX 12 doesn't meet DX9 spec...FP 16 does according to this PP hint BS.

 

Meaning the performance Drop is there? or the performance increase is there.

One means they are not cheating anymore, the other means they are just doing it a slightly different way.

 

So what are the chances that nvidia AREN'T cheating as everyone seems to prefer to believe?

Have they finally got to grips with the NV35 and actually just produced a driver set that can fully utilise its capabilities in a way that neither requires reduction in quality or speed?

I guess we'll need full tests across the board (NV30\31\34\35) and a few days to look into the inner workings of the drivers.

And when do developers get them :?

 

I've seen no evidence from the past 4 months that 'trust' and 'nvidia' came be said in the same sentence.

 

Sure it can. Let me show you how. Do not trust Nvidia!

 

I prefer, "I trust nVidia about as far as I can comfortably spit a dead rat."

EDITED BITS: Some yicky formatting, I fixed.

 

Ooh. That far? 8)

 

I am suprised that they did not get those new drivers out qicker...it has been 8 days already...

 

I skip over the 3dmark benches nowdays and go to the game benches instead. When I'm looking to buy a card I check end user's experiences and game devs thoughts on various message boards before I purchase anything. I don't pay attention to company's PR team because I don't think an honest company exists. Honestly, I have never read from a company that 'our product stinks and we think you would do better to buy from our competitor'. Instead, the more the product stinks the bigger PR spin they put on it to try to sell the turd. And when they do admit they got a turd it's usually after everyone knows about it first. In order for other companies to stay fair consumers need to be educated and do research before buying anything. That way other companies can stay fair w/o using cheats. As for review sites, they need to be fair to their readers since they're the ones who keep the site alive. Have you noticed how some site owners visit forums and try to put out the fire, they do so because readership is important. So if you uncover something blab it to every forum you can as it has the same effect as voting with your wallet when buying products. Us consumers need to be active and not passive.

 

We don't have the 44.61 drivers, so I haven't got a chance to check if the drivers actually get more out of the hardware, or if it's just the same old optimizations with added benchmark detection functionality.

Until we can check these new drivers (which might be a lot of work), we recommend using the 330 build of 3DMark03 and the 44.03 or 43.51 drivers for benchmarking GFFX hardware. With this combination of 3DMark/drivers the default benchmark run should produce comparable results.

 

Can't you people at FM put out a message or something that some results with version xx.xx of nv drivers will be pulled down due to their nature of altering scores / or plain out cheats. That way people will notice and you will get support and when you post that message give links to your own pdf.
I'm totally supporting FM. Cause i wont let some shitty company with bitch ass ethics ruin your work over the last years. You're the R&D manager not PR manager but still try?

 

I think our Online Result Browser (ORB) already shows only 3DMark03 build 330 results by default, when you do search operations and such. If some new drivers appear that do questionable things also on build 330, we'll consider implementing futher restrictions in our ORB.

 

Ok, good to hear. Now to wait and see it happen

 

Here is a link to the 44.61 drivers. . . .



http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=12606&mode=thread&order=0