Console forum locked?

Is it then correct to say that there is only one forum administrator at this time (which is you), and you do not wish to be bothered with the duty of processing a daily "ban list" (if necessary) which would be submitted by the moderators?

 

Could I suggest a temporary "lockdown" on Console. Only News until the new forums are up?

And, please:
Introduce the term "Read, Comprehend, Post". If you post before you've read the WHOLE thread, shape up.

I know from other forums that banning works fine, but it is hard to set up rules that everybody agrees to even when "don't be an idiot" should be enough. Yes, that includes consolewars.

It is this thing we men have, we always reiterate what we have heard other said, instead of reading what others say. If you can't contribute, don't post.

edit: and since I don't want to look stupid afterwards, I could happily contribute since I need to leverage my writing skills you know.

edit 2: Also, I don't think the current mods are very good at "directing" people. One should be able to close thread, and not get and backlash. That's the art of modding.

 

A little moderation goes a long way. Modding some of the more respectable, level-headed memebers (assuming they are willing) would solve many problems, and with no babysitting on the part of the admins. Especially with the threat of removing the forum completely backing up thier actions (ie no 'why was my thread locked' BS).

B3D will be a great place with or without the console forum. It's just a question of what kind of community (if at all) the participants want to have. If they want to vomit on each other, well.. there's GA for those individuals.

 

DaveBaumann:

> the only people that can control bans are forum administrators and
> forum admin have all kinds of access to "special secret things" here so
> that ain't going to be given out!

So why not just have the mods contact you whenever someone is up for a ban?

 

That's the way that Rage3D worked for years. No mods over there have banning powers, they have to contact an Admin and have them ban 'em for them.

Come to think of it, that's how it works at EB too...I have to ask Quinn, Zar, or Hanners to ban people when I want them banned. I think it's a limitation in our software more than a control factor, but either way it works out well. 8)

I still think an entire site for consoles is too much, it's like painting a big red "COME HERE AND BE A FLAMING IDIOT!!!" sign on the forum...you'd be totally tanking the s/n ratio.

I think if you appoint a few trusted mods and have 'em go ban happy with the trouble-makers that the forum will sort itself out and could very well be self-policing. I don't think I've ever been to your console forum, but from reading the posts in this thread I can tell it was something special/unusual in that it is a console forum with a lot of thoughtful and informed people.

Ya just gotta let it be known that you insist on good manners in the forum and if people disagree with ya give 'em the boot. You'd be amazed at how quickly that kind of behavoir can be cleaned up. Yes, you'll lose some members...but as it's already been pointed out those are the members that any site should be glad to lose. 8)

 

The problem is that I don't think Dave has time to "process" ban lists, that's a pain in the ass. Then there will be those that will whine to Dave when he -- by proxy -- bans them. I'm guessing that this is what really bothers him, since he doesn't have time to baby sit like that.

The other parts of the site they don't require as much moderation as the console forum, anyone saying otherwise is BSing because they haven't spent enough time on the rest of the site. And this is exactly why things are the way they are.

 

I can't remember a thread in 3DT+H - which is probably the heart of Beyond3D - being locked for any reason other than duplication of effort.

Even in the 'nv30 will kick R300's ass' phase.

One reason is probably because it got naturally defused because it's hard for people to make BS claims about R300 when one of the guys who draws lines on the silicon is a regular contributor

 

Saem:

> The problem is that I don't think Dave has time to "process" ban lists,
> that's a pain in the ass.

Oh come on. Setting up a new site is much more work. It's not like we're talking hundreds of people.

> Then there will be those that will whine to Dave when he -- by proxy --
> bans them.

I have a feeling that the whiners are a group of repeat offenders. If it's that much of a problem you tell them that whining can be a cause for a ban as well. Whining out about a ban makes it permanent. You can also make it a rule that all inquiries go through the mods.

Let's not make this a more complicated issue than it is.

You make some clear rules and you enforce them. Simple as that.

 

If you scroll down and back on this page and wade through the console forums you will hear many complain about how bias I am and what I bad job i was doing for locking threads that were out of hand instead of cleaning them up line by line of each post and you can see one about sonic being biased too. I just can't imagine how many pms dave gets about it and complaining about memebers . I used to get 3-4 pms daily with complaints

 

Why cant another option be spliting the console forum. To look something like:

-console games
-console hardware
-rumormill
-archive

Seems like the following would be excellent advantages to the above idea.
-keeps console discussion here.
-having a separate mod for each section, mean more mods.
-if you dont want to hear about ps3, then you can skip the rumor part of the forum, likewise to the games section,...
-easier to keep track of the abusers. (they tend to stick to a topic they feel like they know alot about)

On a side note, how about having a "Trash can section" added to forum. This could be used to place threads that are complete trash, but are like 6/7 pages deep. Many still want to argue their points.

anyways, later
epic

 

My question is, if the console forum is removed, what is B3D going to do when the next generation of tech speculation and discussion really starts rolling again? Do you honestly want it combined with all the other 3D conversation as it should be?.. or are you going to segregate it all over again?

 

jvd:

I don't agree with everything you and sonic have done either. Sonic in particular locks far too many threads for my taste. But I don't think arguing about it in private serves any purpose except to spare the board.

I suggest that, if the forum is reopened, a thread is made where people can voice their complaints. If you have anything to say, you do it there and in a civil manner. You also make a post outlining the board rules, what will be tolerated and what won't. Here you can also give directions on what to do if you have a complaint. Sticky those threads and see if it helps. Since most of the users are regulars I think it will.

Might I also suggest that the users get some input on these rules.



epicstruggle:

> Why cant another option be spliting the console forum.

What would it help? Would people argue less just because there's a specific theme to the forum? I could see a point if the forum was so active that it was impossible to keep up with new topics but that is hardly the case.

 

That part stands to reason. One wrong move begat another, and then you created a snowball for yourself.

Yeah, and look who posted the topic. Look how he behaved inside the topic. If it wasn't clear then who the troublemaker was, it sure was by the time that topic arose. You do no favors to the quality of Sonic's moderatorship by in any way making it sound like his and your experiences were comparable.

This should be further indication that if one cannot find reasonable satisfaction by appealing to you, it is only natural to go above you (people weren't bugging Dave just for the hell of it). Don't forget for a moment that if Dave had to handle any pm's at all, it was clearly an indication of your own efficacy to handle matters in an acceptable manner. Aside from that, it really looked like things had a chance to clear up once Sonic stepped in. There's just not too many ways about that reality.

 

randycat99:

> You do no favors to the quality of Sonic's moderatorship by in any way
> making it sound like his and your experiences were comparable.

Eh... as mods I'd say they're on the same level. Jvd was more active a while back (hence why there was a lot of criticism directed towards him) but lately Sonic has gone on a locking spree which has yielded its fair share of complaints.

As far as bias goes, jvd is the more active poster and as such you tend to notice him more but Sonic has certainly made no effort to hide where his sympathy lies.

The perfect mod is one who has no preferences and never comments on controversial issues but I think we can agree that people like that are hard to come by.

 

I have no problem with them being "active". It's the quality of the actions that I am trying to distinguish between jvd and Sonic. I can only chuckle to see jvd attempt to casually put himself on the same level as Sonic as far as quality of moderatorship.

 

The thing is I never tried to hide any of my bias. I've said from the get go that I'm a huge sega fan and that I favor ati right now over nvidia and I def don't care for sony.

The point is there are some topics that were locked and I got crap for it although I wasn't the one who locked it. Its not really fun coming to a board and have to defend yourself about locking a thread when all the reasons are with u but its a sony topic and sony fans are mad. Or its a nintendo topic and you've locked to many nintendo topics so everyone complains about you being bias against nintendo. I only get hit with some of it. I can only imagine dave. He had to get hit with pms about the problems. About posts getting locked. People wanting others baned, then sonic and myself pming him about trying to ban others .

So i can only imagine how much crap that has to be along with running this site.

 

One wrong move after another begat more problems...

I, for one, would like to know what Sonic's bias actually was? It wasn't apparent to me.

 

Since Rage3D's console forum is still open, and since two of the three nextgen consoles will be using ATI chips (and probably 1 handheld also)
why not use that forum until the console forum here is open again. :?

 

I did lock many threads because it ended up being the same stuff over and over again. Threads would go off topic and it would take away from the discussion. There were a lot of threads started by Deadmeat only to pursue a flamewar between Sony fans and anti-Sony posters. Those threads got locked a lot of the time before they went bad. I'm not going to defend myself for locking a thread where I made a judgement call.

 

Don't expect you to good man. I'm tired of defending myself too. If it wasn't for the two of us this step would have been taken alot sooner than it was.


Some on this thread posting and complaining are some of the very ones that are the reason for this forum closing . That is all I have to say on this