Broadcom SoCs

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  1. ToTTenTranz

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    It seems there will be new low-cost SoCs from Broadcom with integrated LTE:

    http://www.fonearena.com/blog/95603...e-chips-aimed-at-sub-300-lte-smartphones.html

    Apparently, the new SoCs have Cortex A9 CPUs and PowerVR 5XT GPUs.
    I guess this means the end of Videocore GPUs?
     
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    dead link?

    ***edit: ok up and running now...
     
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    That looks like a Renesas SoC to me - no idea what their future roadmap looks like.
     
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    Yes, it is the Renesas chip, dual core now, quad core coming later in the year.

    I guess Qualcomm will finally have some LTE competition, from Renesas as well as mediatek, both at low end and medium end.
     
  5. ToTTenTranz

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    Well, every website has been spinning this as a Broadcomm SoC.. The article says the M320 was shown in CES 2014 as a Broadcom SoC and anandtech did it too:

    [​IMG]

    I just saw this in anandtech:
    Is Broadcom reselling Renesas chips as their own? Again, does this mean they terminated their GPU and SoC development?
     
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    Broadcom bought this stuff late last year, at the time focusing on acquiring a carrier validated, production ready LTE SoC.

    http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s788513
     
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    They are broadcom chips.

    Broadcom bought up the Renesas smartphone soc segment, to accelerate their time to market for LTE solutions.
    http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s788513

    "Broadcom is gaining a dual-core LTE SoC that is ready for volume production and is carrier-validated by leading global operators in North America, Japan and Europe"

    Pretty sure this broadcom chip was previously known as this Renesas chip
    http://renesasmobile.com/share/news-events/news/2012/product-renesas-mobile-MP5232.pdf

    The quad-core that they are bringing out later this year, might be something else, or it may be this renesas chip
    http://renesasmobile.com/share/products/datasheets/renesasmobile-datasheet-mp6530.pdf
     
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    I missed/forgot the purchase part.

    But what does this mean for Broadcom's in-house SoC and GPU development?
    Renesas used graphics IP from Imagination, but Broadcom has their own GPU line, the Videocore.

    I thought the Videocore GPUs were interesting because the last two generations had the option for including dedicated memory for the GPU, and the overall performance was actually very competitive for their price range.
     
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    IMG said in their half-year results published in December, that broadcom was a new licensee in that period.

    "Among the key agreements, there were license deals with several new partners in new areas including Broadcom, GUC, Pluschip and Toshiba"

    It's not entirely clear to me if that was a requirement/a result of buying the renesas unit, or whether it suggests they are using PowerVr in new chips NOT derived from the Renesas purchase.

    I suggest it is initially for implementation/support of the Renesas stuff, with IMG keen to use the opportunity to show the advantages of their tech, with a view to a "real" license.
     
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    Broadcom is out of the handheld business:

    http://investor.broadcom.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=861298

    2500 layoffs with the process.
    I guess the Videocore line of GPUs really is gone now.

    I wonder what this will mean for future Raspberry Pi products. I think they would avoid at all costs to radically change GPIO features/mapping and GPU architecture (even less now that Broadcom decided to completely expose the Videocore IV GPU for the open source community). Maybe Broadcom will still sell them those older dual-Cortex A9 SoCs?

    Also, their SoCs are gone from their anemic webpage:
    http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/

    What are they going to do with the M320 and M340? Nothing, I presume?
     
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    What kind of business are they getting out of? I do not quite get it....
     
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    They are getting out of the mobile phone soc business.
     
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    Unfortunately the ULP mobile SoC market is continiously shrinking. I know that only the strong survice, but it's a sad reality nonetheless :sad:
     
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    What I don't get is how that one and only sentence that I quoted wasn't specific enough..


    Actually, I get the feeling that we're just changing "main" players.
    Texas, Broadcom and ST-Ericsson are out but the last few years have seen the rise of Mediatek, Hisilicon and Allwinner.
     
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    Yes and no. Allwinner has after Apple the second best tablet SoC sales (in units) worldwide; that shouldn't mean though that Rockchip, Mediatek & Intel and the likes aren't constantly increasing their efforts to take a bigger bite of Allwinner's market share:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35322-allwinner-to-launch-64-bit-arm-socs-this-year

    I'd love to stand corrected but Mediatek is projecting for this fiscal year over 330Mio units (for both tablets and smartphones). All it means though is that it scaled up from roughly 240Mio units last fiscal year, meaning that a sizeable force in the market just got bigger, but that shouldn't mean though that they're necessarily absorbing directly volumes from players that leave or have left the market.
     
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    I thought they were owning that market. I was obviously very wrong.
     
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    I think the phone SoC market is pretty much entirely Qualcomm + Chinese companies, now.
     
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    Outside of a bit of Apple and Samsung, yes.

    Although don't tell that to Intel.
     
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    Yes but Apple doesn't sell to anyone else and I don't think Samsung does anymore either.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, Samsung is still trying to sell to everyone else, they're just not very successful at it. Maybe someone can enlighten me whether that's still true?
     
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