Ati's new filtering vs Futuremark's optimization guidelines

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Does Ati's new filtering follow Futuremark's optimization guidelines?

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  1. Mendel

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    http://www.futuremark.com/companyinfo/Enforcement_Process.pdf

    My bold

    Now... please discuss, In your opinion, can Futuremark keep approving Ati's drivers?

    and the poll question is:

    Does Ati's new filtering follow Futuremark's optimization guidelines?

    edit: let's assume there is no application detection for 3dmark03
     
  2. tEd

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    As they approving nvidias driver with similar optimization i see not why futuremark shouldn't approve ati drivers because of this
     
  3. Mendel

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    quite true. Personally I thought the situation was that Nvidia didn't follow the guidelines with their filtering but futuremark ignored that and approved anyways. Now i think neither follows the guidelines.

    Remember, the poll question is not "should the drivers be approved" which I think they should... I think the compromise here is a bad, but acceptable one...

    but do they follow the guidelines? I think not.
     
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    If the guidelines are against the general market trend, they should be changed, no?
     
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    actually, nvidia has changed their ways and the 60.72 is futuremark approved. Not sure about 61.11 though, but score 1 nvidia
     
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    Re: Ati's new filtering vs Futuremark's optimization guideli

    I believe the guideline quoted has to do with pixel shaders. . . In any case, the standards on texture filtering seem to be quite loose.
     
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    Haven't you always been able to "legally" use crappy filtering (out of choice) with 3DM?
     
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    I think there should be a "Depends..." (and I don't mean the adult diaper). Does Futuremark use the WHQL spec for filtering when approving drivers or does it use its own methodology to verify if correct filtering is being done? I guess I will be told to read a whitepaper or two to go read when I get home. :) In the meanwhile, if someone does know the answer, please chime in.
     
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    A better question: is there a specification in WHQL for how texture filtering may be performed and what exactly is that specification?
     
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    I think Christoph had a post from the "ATI is cheating with filtering" threa that described in depth the WHQL specification on filtering. I'll add the link to it shortly unless someone else beat me to to - just wanted to reply that since it does actually seem to exist.
     
  11. Dave Baumann

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    Another question that should be asked is "Are futuremark supplying precomputed mip maps"?
     
  12. Pete

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    I've read of quite a few 3DM benchmarkers who advise setting quality sliders to "minimum" via the CP, so I'd imagine more than a few Orb scores are with less-than-"pristine" filtering IQ.
     
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    Re: Ati's new filtering vs Futuremark's optimization guideli

    As far as I'm aware, the above statement concerns shader optimizations, not filtering.
    Also, users can decide what filtering they use anyway..
     
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    My take on this is that it is not (hopefully, and does not seem to be) application specific. In which case if it really is, it benefits all apps, and games, and there for should not disqualify them for FM aproval. Now whether or not it's alright to possibly degrade image quality in the eyes of the users is another case altogether...
     
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    i dont see wuts the difference between what ati is doing now and what nvidia did with the fx series.
     
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    ATI's method looks good, Nvidia's looks like ass.
     
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    Hmm, mebbe we should ask one of their beta partners about that! :idea:

    Hey Dave, is Futuremark supplying you with precomputed mip maps? :|
     
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    After catching up with that monster of a thread, I think I understand enough to give my opinion for the poll. I believe it follows the rules, but I reserve the right to change that opinion if and when I'm proven wrong. LOL :) I will say I don't envy Futuremark in deciding how to handle the news. Either way, they will get flamed.

    Tommy McClain
     
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    LOOKED. and i wll go as far as to say ati is looking like ass now in comparison to the 6800 :shock:
     
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    Really? Have you compared ATi's "trylinear" with nV's "brilinear"?

    The main difference so far seems to be that ATi's trylinear isn't app-specific, whereas nV's brilinear was (as was first discovered with UT2003).

    Of course, the main issue remains the same, though: whether your video card is lowering the expected IQ behind your back. I'm waiting for more analysis before I conclude that it's a bad IQ move, either absolutely or relatively.
     
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