ATI HD5800 / Catalyst Improvements, Bugs, Fixes

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  1. jaredpace

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    Hello friends. :smile:
    At the time of writing this I can find 8.660 driver RC6,7,8,9, catalyst 9.9 and 9.10 betas. In this topic, I would just like to make a collection of related HD5800 series bug reports and suggestions for the future releases of catalyst drivers. This is community feedback for the Ati driver development team. Hopefully it will garner the attention of the right folks.

    UPDATE 12/26 :
    Apparently Ati's greatest issue with the stability of CCC drivers concern Powerplay, 2d/3d clocks, ULPS, multiple monitors, crossfire and Displayport. Interestingly, more issues are reported in 2D, than while in 3D! :lol: These problems are an inconvenience for users of the $700 flagship HD5970; these users are expecting superior flawless performance. Of course you have (the normal and expected) random textures, artifacts, flickering, and game-specific performance issues that need addressing on a case-by-case basis with future driver package releases. Our main concern is that Powerplay and multi-monitor every-day use is corrected.

    No one is sure if the 157/300 core/mem clock speed is too low for 2D/idle, but it is definitely causing many problems known as "black-screen lock ups" "Grey screen crash" "stripes" "driver stopped responding crashes". Fixes include running full 3D clockspeeds of 725/1000 or 850/1200 constantly on a 24/7 basis. Others have reported more stability from increasing 2D/idle clocks into the range of 300/400 to 600/1000. Some say that the 'grey screen crash' is linked to poor performing memory and can be remedied by lowering the 3D memory speed from 1200mhz to ~900 to 1000mhz. There is difficulty for CCC driver to keep stability while switching between extended desktop, multiple monitors, single display, and eyefinity. Given that Eyefinity is a new foray for Ati, issues are to be expected. Others report that ULPS functions incorrectly on occasion.

    Also a problem with secondary displays flickering in 2D and poor Displayport output issues has been resolved with an updated BIOS released for the 5870. That bios also increased the default 3D Vcore from 1.12-1.16v to 1.187v. Problems related to crossfire include difficulty with Catalyst A.I, ULPS, and a case-by-case basis of poor game performance relative to these settings. VRM temperature on the 3+2 phase 5970 is also an issue, however I'm not sure if that is fixable via drivers or bios updates.

    Many people are reporting solving their issues by bypassing Displayport output, Powerplay, Ultra low power state, 2D/Idle clocks, and crossfire; therefore making obvious the culprit in each scenario. Hopefully Ati addresses these problems, however my technical knowledge of their product is not great enough to be more specific towards the causes.

    With the updated BIOSes, higher vcore, and higher default 2D clocks we might get better stability. Displayport flickering has been repaired. Now we just need better functionality behind Eyefinity & Multi-monitor setups, as well as Crossfire and ULPS. Great 3D performance is already here. Here's to hoping for a consistent, stable 2D experience as well.
    :wink:
    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1466677
    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1489304
    http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=124747
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=241042
    http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18087665
    http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=17782
    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=309921
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ATI-Radeon-Grey-Screen-Crash,9529.html
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274979-33-5770-problems
    http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1336147091
    http://www.overclock.net/ati/650900-gray-screen-explained-5xxx-series-updated-2.html
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274451-33-5870-overheating
    http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2643153
    http://www.vgaforum.com/showthread.php?p=159324
    http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69870
    http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1336150114
    http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1710999

    -white or green snow like artifacts visible when using AA
    -crashes caused by powerplay clocks, resuming from sleep, HDMI audio driver, and memory clocks.

    - Currently many report problems changing clock/mem speeds in overdrive and having their secondary display flicker 5850/5870.
    - Some complaints of the AA, AF, and 3d settings locations being difficult to access because of thier various locations in the Control Center (compared to being centralized in NVCP)
    - Artifacts (green dots & various textures) in the shadows in some 3d and 2d apps on 5870 + 5870 CF.
    - Texture fickering & shimmering in games like crysis
    - Texture flashing prior to launching games like NFSshift, Warhead, and Fear.
    - Poor compatibility with DX10 titles on 1900x1080 Progressive modes on HDTV. Output from HDMI to an HDTV is interlaced at lower Hz in dx10 titles. Temporary solution was to add 24/59/60hz display modes in tv-out HDTV options. 4000 + 5000 series.
    - Problems connecting Displayport out to Displayport monitors (Apple cinema). Multiple cables were used, but CCC recognizes Display, yet cannot display image and reports an error.
    - Poor overall Vantage Performance scores with Phenom II CPU on Windows 7 64bit. Relates to gpu and cpu scores.
    - Folding at Home drivers & compatibility has been an issue. Considered lack of proper F@H support. GPU utilization @ ~75%
    - Ability to have Customizable game profiles in CCC. Wanted by the ati fanbase for some time now.
    - Memory leak with Cat. 9.9 in Windows Vista
    - Poor performance / Incompatibility with Anno 1404 dx9/dx10 resulting in black textures
    - Unusual frame drops in RE5 with adaptive msaa in dx10, corrupted display image
    - Updates to AVIVO with more codec support
    - Crashes reported in the game 'AION'
    - Renaming game .exe's (nfsshift.exe to grid.exe) helps to initiate a profile, but is not a user-freindly solution for the novice or beginner ati customer. A user-friendly driver menu-approach like Ray Adams ATT or NVCP is wanted everywhere I look. Hopefully that is coming.
    - Hard lockups with frozen game image on screen in NFS: shift
    - Individual control over each GPU in overdrive tab for multiple gpu cards
    - Desktop Pointer & cursor corruption with 9.10 beta.
    - Mouse pointer will enlarge to being about 5-10x (not sure exactly but really big) normal size and not revert until reboot. Very rarely will revert back to normal size. Sometimes it's normal on one display and LARGE on the other display. Not exactly sure what triggers it.
    - Top third of main display (2560x1600) will flash with weird textures when triggering UAE in Vista 64.
    - Cannot run video using 3D acceleration with any other application using 3D. Either game or another video without massive slowdown (feels like Windows XP). Eventually leading to a black screen. Does not affect WMP, but does affect GOM player and MPC. If this happens have to hard reset.
    - Vista 64 has corrupted display when coming out of sleep mode. Only option is to hard reset.
    - XP Video enhancements don't function (even with VMR9) (edge enhance/noise reduction/etc).
    - XP Video enhancements show up with 3850 even though it doesn't support them
    - XP Sometimes after enabling/disabling the second display, the monitor will no longer power down at the set timeout but instead flickers off and back on.
    - Win7 Desktop color and video color settings don't stay set. They come back if I go back into CCC.
    - Win7 Video enhancements show up with 3850 even though it doesn't support them
    - Avivo settings in CCC reset themselves to defaults upon reset / reboot.

    This list will be updated & submitted to ati as a bug-report. Please contribute any bug reports or fixes that need mentioning. Thank you.
     
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    The only real issues I have so far.

    1. Mouse pointer will enlarge to being about 5-10x (not sure exactly but really big) normal size and not revert until reboot. Very rarely will revert back to normal size. Sometimes it's normal on one display and LARGE on the other display. Not exactly sure what triggers it.
    2. Top third of main display (2560x1600) will flash with weird textures when triggering UAE in Vista 64.
    3. Cannot run video using 3D acceleration with any other application using 3D. Either game or another video without massive slowdown (feels like Windows XP). Eventually leading to a black screen. Does not affect WMP, but does affect GOM player and MPC. If this happens have to hard reset.
    4. Vista 64 has corrupted display when coming out of sleep mode. Only option is to hard reset.

    These may not all be due to the hotfix Cats + 5780 however as I also changed MB at the same time and didn't do a clean install (usually works). Don't feel like putting in 4890 to test at the moment. It's not serious enough that I can't wait until Cat 9.10 and/or Win 7 release when I'll be doing a clean install.

    Regards,
    SB
     
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    This apparently has beend fixed with the recently release patch for Anno 1404.
     
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    The GPGPU/OpenCL driver package contains ATi Catalyst 9.11 beta driver (8.67).

    Some local users find, that the HD5700 launch driver (8.66.6) brought nice performance gain for HD5800, esp. for min. framerates (17->25 min FPS in Warhead compared to 8.66/HD5800 launch driver). I hope some site will prepare a test of these versions.

    http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1346648#post1346648
     
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    I have a couple issues to mention, but they are with my 4670 & 3850. Probably related however.

    XP
    -Video enhancements don't function (even with VMR9) (edge enhance/noise reduction/etc).
    -Video enhancements show up with 3850 even though it doesn't support them
    -Sometimes after enabling/disabling the second display, the monitor will no longer power down at the set timeout but instead flickers off and back on.

    Win7
    -Desktop color and video color settings don't stay set. They come back if I go back into CCC.
    -Video enhancements show up with 3850 even though it doesn't support them
     
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    Getting close to the end of the month, official 9.10 should be out soon hopefully. Will be getting Win7 soon and would rather go right to WHQL 9.10 than the hotfix drivers I've been using.

    Regards,
    SB
     
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    Terry Makedon stated 9.10 will be out today inline with the Windows 7 launch. Still nothing on their sites though....
     
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    Release notes still show as release notes for 9.9.

    Driver download is 9.10 however.

    Regards,
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    No performance improvements mentioned in the release notes? That's unusual for a first driver release after a new hardware launch.
     
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    Still no support for 5700 on neither xp nor 7. I tried hacking the .inf for the xp (the 5800 support is there, but no succes).
    So back to the betas from the opencl sdk package.

    The glsl compiler seems quite "experimental" btw (both old beta and the "opencl version"). Have been running into several looping related bugs. They are definitely not up to 4x00 standards.
     
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    did 9.10 fix the 120hz issues?
     
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    Awesome just got done installing 9.10 WHQL.

    Fixes a lot of issues I had with the hotfix 58xx drivers I was using up to now.

    No more weird texture flashes when UAC is triggered.

    Can once again run multiple 3D accelerated windows (games/video players) without 3D rendering slowing to a crawl.

    Hopefully this will also fix the ultra large mouse cursor issue as well as the occasional black screen requiring a reboot. Off to test if Vista will wake up correctly from sleep mode again.

    Edit - Damn, no go on sleep. Not sure if this is a MB, video card, or driver issue however. If it still happens with Win7 I'll put my 4890 back in this machine and see if it has the same problems or not.

    Regards,
    SB
     
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    My biggest problem with the new catalyst drivers are related to monitor settings:

    A) I can't find the place where to set my monitor to clone mode or to "extend the desktop". I always have to change this through Windows 7's own settings.

    B) GPU scaling is disabled. It took me like 15minutes to find the correct place (there's like five places where one can see grey images which represent monitor. one of them gives the right options when clicked with a right mouse button). I read from AMD's forum that the option for GPU scaling is disabled if the current resolution is the max resolution. I can't see the logic behind this. The option is used when playing games with not-native resolutions. How come I'm not allowed to change it? The thing worked just fine before the new UI of CCC.
     
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    Damn, still have the problem with the ultra large mouse cursor. Ah well, will see if the problem goes away when I install Win7 next week.

    Regards,
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    I'm curious on what you find SB; I'll be moving to Win7 in a few weeks and my 5850 is inbound...
     
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    OK, cool ran into a workaround at techreport.com that mentions having the windows magnifier open in task tray will prevent the ultra large cursor problem until Cat 9.11 is released. I'll have to give that a try next time it happens.

    Also, looks like running a 3D application and then starting up a HD flash video causes both to slow down to a crawl. At least it did with Eve Online in a window + HD flash video.

    Regards,
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