Apple A13 SoC

Discussion in 'Mobile Devices and SoCs' started by iMacmatician, Nov 26, 2018.

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  1. iMacmatician

    iMacmatician Regular

    The Twitter user Longhorn (@never_released) has information about the A13.
    Links: [1] [2] [3]

    There is discussion on the Real World Tech forums about these details including the potential implications of the core codenames. Neither codename is about wind so maybe they indicate larger architectural changes than the past five generations?
     
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  2. wco81

    wco81 Legend

    Apple is in big need of ew tentpole features to drive device upgrades. Unless hardware tracing helps deliver some whiz bang new feature, may not be the best use of R&D.

    Apple needs to find way to deliver products at lower price points. iPhone XS and XS Max sales may show they can't charge whatever they want.

    An Apple SOC in a Mac laptop may deliver better performance than low end Intel chips but they're going to need to lower costs so they can lower prices.
     
  3. TheAlSpark

    TheAlSpark Moderator Moderator Legend

    How about a phone based on the 4S shell with upgraded screen and internals? :p Something with actual grip and thickness for battery and lenses too :rolleyes: The new screen types would probably put the 4S chassis at the size close to the viewable area of the 5/6. *cough*

    sigh duck.

    Anyways.
     
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  4. wco81

    wco81 Legend

    I'm just saying the days of "cost no object" in SOC design and production may be coming to an end for Apple.
     
  5. TheAlSpark

    TheAlSpark Moderator Moderator Legend

    Right, just rolling my eyes at apple :p
     
  6. iMacmatician

    iMacmatician Regular

  7. Rys

    Rys Graphics @ AMD Moderator Veteran Alpha

    Highly likely the one to the bottom right of that that's mostly square. The 2:1 is probably the modem.
     
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  8. Pressure

    Pressure Veteran

    Most likely the one with the highest ball grid arrays. After all, it has the highest I/O.
     
  9. iMacmatician

    iMacmatician Regular

    Can the SoC die size be estimated from the squarish rectangle?
     
  10. Rys

    Rys Graphics @ AMD Moderator Veteran Alpha

    Nope, all you get is the package size because the pad distribution is completely regular and holds no clues.
     
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  11. iMacmatician

    iMacmatician Regular

  12. Arnold Beckenbauer

    Arnold Beckenbauer Veteran Subscriber

    2+4 and 4 GPU cores.
     
  13. anexanhume

    anexanhume Veteran

    Wonder what “high bandwidth cache”, “advanced silicon packaging” and “high bandwidth unified memory” mean from the feature mosaic.
     
  14. Entropy

    Entropy Veteran

    The GPU has some new capabilities that might be of interest. There’s a tech talk video at Apples developer site.
     
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  15. High Bandwidth Cache is probably just a larger L3, and High Bandwidth Unified Memory is probably just LPDDR4X 4266MT/s.
    Had they gone with LPDDR5 I think they'd boost up the GPU performance a bit more than 20% and they'd need less L3 for the GPU.
     
  16. Laurent06

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  17. Entropy

    Entropy Veteran

    Geekbench 5 result.
    I really miss the memory benchmark numbers of GB4 (and also feel that they belong in a single FigureOfMerit number if such a number is provided, and it is.)
    If GB reads the cache sizes correctly (GB4 above) there is an interesting story to be told there.
    I wonder how the new floating point capabilities of the CPU will be accessed.
    Also, since they haven’t done the switch to LPDDR5 yet, there is some extremely low hanging performance fruit hanging around for future models.
     
  18. The memory numbers being gone is a good thing because testing memory is a lot more complicated than a single figure. Too much inaccuracy or score weighing was going on.

    I'll have my more expansive mem test for the AT review.
     
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  19. Laurent06

    Laurent06 Veteran

    The hypothesis is that these are the cache sizes of the little core. I guess we'll have to wait for Andrei review to be sure :)
     
  20. anexanhume

    anexanhume Veteran

    This is unfortunate
     
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