any word on AGP 7800/X1800 cards?

Yesterday I obtained a X800 XT PE for my Socket A Shuttle system. It will definitely be my last AGP card. (sorry for OT)

 

No worries mate.

But even for people like me, the next upgrade will have to be an overhaul, I'm on last years high-end now (neo2+3500+x800xt-pe) and although I have the money, I'd rather spend it on something more usefull if need be.

 

You seem to have replied to my post without reading it, as I said

So I don't want a top-end card that will be GPU limited, I want a card that will run with SM3 and AA and AF switched on (for which GPU > CPU) running at 1280x1024 ... which doesn't need tooo much horsepower.

Now yes the title of the thread says X1800, but I don't we need to exclude X1600 card as well, when we don't have any indication of where the performance demarkation lines will lie. Or it could well be a low-end X1800 will be cheap enough to consider. We just don't know yet. But it seems to me the X1800's are less likely to have AGP versions, the X1600's should be where the primary hope lies.

 

I've got a 3.75ghz P4 with a gig of memory running at 500mhz and a RAID 0 array with two 7200RPM WD250gb 8mb ATA drives. Tell me I can't "fully use" a 7800 or an x18000. I most certainly can, especially with resolutions of 1920x1080 on my Hitachi 50" HDTV.

Now tell me why I can't get one in AGP?

 

LOL. Obligation to the consumers!?! Yeah right. These are businesses. That means they build what they think will sell, not what they feel we deserve to be able to buy! I don't understand how people can say businesses are concerned with obligations to customers when it comes to sales decisions. It's stupid.

I have no PCIe boards myself. It stinks that I can't buy a new AGP card that is top of the line. But, guess what, it's called forced obsolescence and it happens constantly in our hobby. Luckily for us the Wintel alliance actually somewhat prevents this. Anyway, ATI & NV thought PCIe would be big by now. And it was in their own interests to get us to buy new mobos anyway because they both have their hands into chipsets now.

So they decided to screw us high end gaming upgraders in favor of pleasing the OEMs. Guess what? We'll lose out EVERY TIME. If both our desires and the desires of the OEMs don't match up, expect disappointment. We are a pathetically small niche with a lot of loud mouths.

 

refurb 6800gt agp $221 shipped from newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122195R
That's what I did, but mine was $211 But, you'll probably need a different brand with a standard sized cooler in your shuttle case. And, can a shuttle handle that much power draw/heat?

I agree tho, the stall-out in cpu speeds kept me from getting a new system too.

 

No.

I've got a P4 3.0 overclocked to 3.6 GHz, 1 GB of PC4000, an Asus P4P800-E Deluxe that does everything I need and more as well as a 9500 Pro. I refuse to blow money on a new system when I've already got a perfectly good and fast one that would benefit greatly from say an X1600 XT.

I will not be coerced into buying something I don't need or want simply because company A chose not to support product B. Either they're getting paid off not to support it, or they're just foolish.

If no AGP cards come out of this generation I simply won't upgrade, and they've just lost a customer. Instead I'll wait until a system upgrade is actually worthwhile, as in dual core Conroe + R600.

 

Agreed.

 

Agreed and you'll soon have numbers to back that up.

 

So there's real hope?

 

Yes a 6800gt will just about run off the old 200w PSU... it's close though, and I might well buy a part-mesh case cover too, to help with the heat. That's why I'd rather have a nice new mid-range ATI card running cooler. If there aren't to be any more ATI AGP cards, then I'd perhaps sacrifice SM3.0 for the cool n quiet x800xl... except they're always more expensive than 6800GT's, at least here in the UK they are. Even x800pro's are *as expensive* if not more so.

edit: I should point out again that I don't really want to spend as much as a 6800GT would cost (about £180 from www.komplett.co.uk), but if I was able to justify it in terms of performance gain over anything I can get for approx £100, maybe just maybe I'd do it.

 

Hopefully.

 

Sorry to go slightly off topic, but if you have a RPTV that supports 1080i, remember that the 'i' stands for interlaced. This resolution can either draw the same frame twice to produce 1080 @ 30fps or draw interleaved 540p @ 60fps to get 1080i. For gaming on a RPTV 720p is the preferable resolution if your RPTV can draw that without downscaling it to 540 (most can't).
I heard Hitachi was going to release an LCOS (reflective LCD RPTV) that is truly 1080p which would be killer - if thats what you have ignore this post.
I love gaming on my front projection screen @ 720p, and I'm waiting for a 1080p projector with pricing that falls out of the stratosphere.

 

The Hitachi I'm using accepts signal at the full 1920x1080 resolution over a DVI connection. I can validate this by way of test patterns, and can also validate the slowdown incurred when moving from a 1280x720 to a 1920x1080 resolution setting in my games.

The difference is, all the Hitachi Ultravision models upconvert all signals to 1080p (if it isn't already there) for processing and then downconvert to 720p for display. It actually sucks when playing games at 1280x720 because it does wierd things with texture aliasing and the like, but looks great on normal DVD's and much better than most LCD's when viewing crappy NTSC "low def" broadcast signals. If you can feed it a 1080p signal over DVI, it does fantastic and is still downsampled to the native 1280x720 resolution of the LCD panels. The result is a bit of free MSAA and a lot better picture quality on this particular set.

Also notice I said "LCD panels" rather than a single panel. Each primary color (R, G, B) has its own grayscale 10-bit panel; they are combined by a prism and mirror assembly before being shown on the screen. The result is a true 30-bit color capability, talk about excellent picture reproduction!

If only my X800XTPE had that kind of output

 

Have you run the hdds you have in raid 0 and just one to see the difference?

 

Aged Grandma Poop! - sorry. I'm nearly at the nd of a bad day.

 

Yes, and I can't use them in RAID 1. The difference in video games and windows load time isn't much different, but the speed difference in data streaming for capturing raw video is enough to warrant keeping them in RAID 0. My drives will start to choke otherwise...

 

That's why I asked since word is from the self proclaimed know it alls at storagereview is that raid 0 doesn't help with desktop apps.