AMD could potentially get 19 Million investment

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  1. pharma

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    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-could-potentially-get-9b-investment.html
     
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    120 million yuan is $19.2 million. Not billon.
     
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    As sad as this sounds, I'll have to say I'd be extremely wary of letting chinese interests buy into western high-tech industry. The risk of IP and technology leakage is incredibly substantial.
     
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    I guess the chinese should have done better, millenia ago, in order to prevent chinese science and tech from leaking into the "west".
     
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    More than before ?

     
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    DON'T SAY THAT!!!

    C'mon, more monies for AMD CPU R&D? PLEASE!!! :shock:
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. What are you worried about exactly?
     
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    When a nation is very aggressively modernizing its industries, as China is, investment in foreign companies raises the specter that the relationship will be used to siphon secrets and expertise to the local companies trying modernize. It can work short-term for a company, but it can erode its competitive edge long-term versus those local companies.
    In this case, money at this point is probably not the biggest risk factor. Operating in China has probably opened AMD up to the likelihood that its R&D has made its way to other companies, and China is reticent to prosecute such actions--when it's simply not requiring confidential information be turned over to local partners by default.
     
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    Is there really that much to steal? How much of that IP is essential and secret?

    (I would ask the same question if this were Nvidia or most other fabless companies, BTW.)
     
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    That we'd give away our competitive edge, and that Chinese industries (actively aided by their gov't, as is often the case) then displaces us in the market with cheaper offerings, thus undermining the very basis of our prosperity.
     
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    Specific implementation details and algorithms used by existing designs are not widely discussed. We may hear general descriptions about branch predictors, OoO scheduling, memory controllers, and so on, but we do not see the actual details. The complexity of modern designs and physical countermeasures make it impractical to reverse-engineer in a timely fashion.
    Physical design data, validation methods, validated designs, tools, manufacturing and application performance data are valuable accumulations of information that cost a lot of time and money to generate.

    AMD also had a fair presence in areas like packaging design and interfaces, although that has been successively spun off.
    It's sort of like saying that the rules of baseball are public, so what benefit does a rookie have from getting knowledge from the MVP.

    There are also things like the private keys used to safeguard the microcode updates, and security information like what goes into the TrustZone implementation, that could be useful if you want to be nefarious.
     
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    But how is AMD ours? It's American, and as a public company it's owned by just about anyone anyway.
     
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    It's more of a political debate, but the United States does restrict the transfer or export of technologies it considers to be of strategic importance. Encryption has a history of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States
    Limits to how close to the leading edge old fab equipment could be before it couldn't be sold to certain buyers have come up before for AMD (or Globalfoundries).

    Within the bounds of AMD, it's a possibility that AMD could invest a lot in advancing its IP, and then all the work that went into making its hardware, code, or interfaces functional or performant somehow finding its way into cheap competing products from local "partners" without the long lead times, risk, and overheads.
     
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    Erm... Kind of like European industries (actively aied by their gov't, as is often the case) then displaces us in the market with cheaper offerings, thus undermining the very basis of our prosperity.

    See, Boeing versus Airbus. ;)

    Granted there may have been less stealing of industrial secrets there, but just because it's Western nations doesn't mean there doesn't exist industrial espionage. Nor does it mean that Western governments aren't prone to actively helping (including funding and running, see Chevy for a limited time) local companies.

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    I think there is particular concern with China especially with the direction they have been taking recently:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/t...ules-perturb-western-tech-companies.html?_r=0
     
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