http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/i...ner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
Of course, a loss of privacy rights for the terrorists and us.
Of course, a loss of privacy rights for the terrorists and us.
Im not slamming you DC. But I hate the argument of loss of privacy. Lets assume they were listening to everycall from the cell phone you and I use. Would it have changed any call you made? Not any of the ones Ive made. And I doubt most people would really care either, as long as we live a bit safer lives.DemoCoder said:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/i...200&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
Of course, a loss of privacy rights for the terrorists and us.
epicstruggle said:Im not slamming you DC. But I hate the argument of loss of privacy. Lets assume they were listening to everycall from the cell phone you and I use. Would it have changed any call you made? Not any of the ones Ive made. And I doubt most people would really care either, as long as we live a bit safer lives.DemoCoder said:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/i...200&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=
Of course, a loss of privacy rights for the terrorists and us.
just my 2 cents
later,
epic
I hope your kidding.K.I.L.E.R said:I'd rather mass suicide bombings kill millions than lose my privacy.
The founding fathers lived during a time where the power of a nuclear bomb(chemical/biolagical warfare et al) was inconcivable(sp?). Im sure they would have thought things differently had they lived through 9/11.MPI said:They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
MfA said:To be fair, this doesnt seem to imply indiscriminate tapping. The Germans probably had a court order, and the Swiss could have just found the rest by cross referencing calls to known numbers after that.
MPI said:epic:
Bullshit. It's ironic how the same people apparently can start second guessing the founding fathers of their country and putting things into contemporary context, and yet not when it comes to metal tubes.
Joe DeFuria said:That was my take on it...I mean, the real "eavsdropping" looks to have occured once they had actual numbers to work with...
Views held 200+ years ago cannot naively be held so steadfastly today. The constitution is a living document, it changes with times. THAT was something the founding fathers planned for.John Reynolds said:MPI said:epic:
Bullshit. It's ironic how the same people apparently can start second guessing the founding fathers of their country and putting things into contemporary context, and yet not when it comes to metal tubes.
This isn't directed at any one person, but I'm perpetually amazed at how the more radical right wingers profess to love the Founding Fathers and yet are so totally ignorant of their viewpoints on these essential issues.
What the hell does the govermnent want with you. Unless your a suspected terrorist, your never going to come under the microscope.Sazar said:paranoia leads to retarded laws and loss of our individual rights... I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than lose my right to privacy...