16 pipes for R420 too?

Remember that the NV40 has full support for PS3.0 while the R420 does not.

 

I like that black gradient they got going all around the sink cover. Or... maybe that's where the chip charred the board?

 

AND I JUST KEEP GETTING HAPPY PMS ABOUT THE R420!!!

Ok, I'm getting too damned giddy and gotta step away from the boards for a bit before I get silly.

Just one thing; the match up between the X800 XT and the 6800 Ultra is going to be a good match up and I don't think ANYONE knows who is going to walk away the winner from the match up yet. 8)

 

I know who's going to walk away as the winner - the consumer

 

I believe most people is more familar with clockrates than the number of pipelines. I think this can be somewhat confusing dispite the higher price of the XT version. And it doesnt help that nVidia use the XT name on their slower parts. Im not saying its gonna be a huge problem, and the XT version might very well be clocked lower. All im saying is I doudt that will be the case.

 

That specification was given to partners. Partners are known to be leaky.

 

Hmm... I am £1101 overdrawn, leaving £399 available. It's a sign.

 

8)

 

Yea right, both cards will be $400-$500 easy.
At least that is out of my price range, maybe ATI/NV will send me a sample. :?

 

Also From what I understand the Nv40 only has 32bit registers. OR Pure 32bit through adn through.. although it does still gain some advantage when using 16bit.. or Split 32.. or however they are specifically doing it now..

Meaning that their Transistor count for all that massive 32bit stuff ois a lot larger.

They may still take a performance hit due to register limitations although its not as bad now.

 

Hmmm....wonder where DemoCoder and Chalnoth are? The "defenders of the Faith" seem to have lost their voices.........

 

Yes, they may be 400-500 easy, but as I mentioned on another board, if this comes as any surprise to you, you are a nutcase and you really arne't the type of person that should be buying one of these cards in the first place...

Anyhow, we definitely are walking away as the winner, because we are most likely getting A LOT more for our 400-500 bucks than we would if there wasn't such a fierce competition between the two companies.

 

Woah. So NVIDIA's doing it to developers, and ATI's doing to to partners? Not bad, eh... What a business!

Uttar

 

True, I was looking at it from a purely financial standpoint. You are definately getting more for your $400-$500. But why am I not the type of person to buy one of those cards?

 

They could still be reading the thread trying to catch up, this one has grown FAST!

 

Because these cards are intended for the ENTHUSIAST market. An enthusiast by definition is someone who is extremely interested in the GPU market, and is into what they purchase and read/research all about the GPUs and the market they belong to... They also want the best product their money can buy. Thus, it should be no surprise to any enthusiast (the type of customers the R420 and NV40 are INTENDED to be sold to) that these cards are going to be between 400 and 500 bucks.

 

Some other things to consider...

ATi = 160m Transistors on LOW-k

Nvidia = 210m Transistors not on low-k...

Nvidia is not likely to achieve the high core speeds ATi is without hooking a sump-pump to the Nv40.

Thus as well as architecural differences.. Core speed and memory will be a big deciding factor.

It is Very likely that if the cards are close Ati may be able to take the Crown simply by boosting the core to some extreme level via overdrive etc...

pro in the 400mhz range

XT in the 500mhz range

Overdrive = Unknown...

It may be even higher than this... only the shadow knows....

 

Let me think of a response. Well the wield will be so low that there will be as much 16 pipelines R420 as NV30

Well, it seems that HB was wrong at least, the R420 will be a 16 pipelines beast, and the competition will be great once more. Ati's winning once more? :?

 

LOL...Don't want to keep this goin, but its possible to be a 'broke' enthusiast like myself at the present time. Or perhaps I'm waiting for something...

 

In about 4 days I want to revisit the 'rumour thread' and how quickly some select individuals wrote off the R420.....just like a little over a year ago.