16 pipes for R420 too?

If it's you, it's me as well.


Derek

 

Well I still have darkcrow open and lists their source as http://www.gzeasy.com so I guess they have the same info.

 

Thanks.

I know Dave already "dismissed" the memory clocks...but what about the X800 SE using only a 400 Mhz 128 bit bus? Doesn't make sense at all...

 

I take that back.

It makes some sense, since the 9600 XT's memory clock is only 300 Mhz...so with 8 pipes and 33% more bandiwdth, a X800SE would be a "step up" from the 9600XT.

So if it's true, X800SE would be a legitimate replacement for the $179 MSRP price bracket....it still shouldn't touch the 9800 in terms of performance though.

So this would leave a huge gap between the X800SE and the X800 Pro....

 

Actually, I've not dismissed everything, just some specific elements of tEd's post.

 

Well - either you believe the clock values he quoted are complete tosh, or your simply pointing out that the rumors are not new.

Either way - I think 600 is unlikely considering ATI's leaked presentation.

 

First of all, I hate you.

Second, since the specific elements in tEd's post are part of the report, (no matter which specific elements may be right or wrong) there's obviously reason to question the rest of the report. So what's up with the X800SE bus width?

Third, I hate you.

 

Do you have any evidence that Grantsdale, when dialed all the way down, will perform any better than a 5200 dialed all the way down?

I think what you'll really see is developers writing 2 separate PS2.0 shaders for different ranges of HW and deactivating expensive shaders on lowend HW. A game that's heavily using 10+ instruction may still run poorly on low end hardware.

 

According to L'Inq, Grantsdale gets about 5000 in 3DM03.

 

First thing first is if those http://www.gzeasy.com/itnewsdetail.asp?nID= figures are right the SE is gonna be soo memory limited its not funny.

Does anyone know if the pipes will be just basicly locked by the bios/drivers or if they are actually going to say use ion bombardment or lasers or something to hardwire the chips to less pipes?

 

where is the link to that?


this one says 3DM01 http://theinquirer.net/?article=15267

 

No. But, then, I wasn't saying anything of the sort.

 

So, then, you're confirming that 5200 users can also partake of DX9 by dialing down all the settings?

 

What, of course they can, thats their decision. However, the timescales that we're talking about here will probably see large proportions of the installed base of 5200's retired by then.

 

Yeah, but why does Intel get praise from you for shipping an underperforming DX9 part, but NVidia gets criticism for doing the same. Yes, whatever is shipped *now* will have more uptake than what was shipped 12 months ago, but I see no reason to criticize someone for shipping early. Should Nvidia always wait for Intel to ship something before they ship a value or integrated part? If anything shipping an underperforming part now is worse than shipping it 18 months ago. You should hold Intel to a higher level of expected performance delivering stuff almost 2 years after the baseline spec. If the nV34 and grantsdale chips perform similarly, 5200 owners will essentially have had a grantsdale equivalent for the last year.

I think Nvidia was rightly criticized for the non-DX8 MX. But I think simultaneously praising grantsdale and criticizing the 5200 isn't fair.

 

First of all, I don't see anyone "praising Intel" per se. (Why do you always see these things as a "for or against" any one Company DC? )

It's just recognizing that the baseline shift occurs with intel, not nVidia or ATI. And this is because it's an integrated chipset from Chipzilla. (Read: much wider spread availability and installed user base than any add-in card from ATI or nVidia could ever hope to achieve.)

 

Oh god. How did I know that was coming.

We're not talking about favourites or anything here we are talking about facts - we've been in contact with many developers over our time here and many of them have repeated similar things about the baseline support. Nobody is praising Grantsdales performance (god knows how you read that one) its just the fact of the matter that once its released, within very short order its highly likely to have the majority of the DX9 marketshare.

 

... oops. I totally misread that.

I was actually kinda looking forward to Grantsdale, thought it might be a nice change

(seriously, kids. don't stay up till 3 in the morning doing a lot of nothing without purifying yourselves in the waters of Lake Minnatonka beforehand.)

 

I think Dave is talking about is the mem speed. My source in micron is telling me that they are selling all they can make up to 833 now. I think the XT will have Micron GDDR3 spec at 800 and the pro at 600-700.

 

As in 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz DDR? As in 51GB/s of memory bandwidth?